东方日报／北京奥运圣火的传递有如苦难的国际长征，一路跌跌撞撞，饱受屈辱。奥运圣火的火燄既照出海外华人的拳拳爱国心，也折射出西方社会对中国根深柢固的敌意，更衬托出北京当局近年外交工作的庸庸碌碌。
圣火传递到现在，闹得最厉害的地方是英国伦敦与法国巴黎，在这两国政府的暗助明纵之下，奥运圣火被藏独组织一路暴力攻击，若不是海外华人自发前往护，奥运 圣火恐怕早已被藏独组织亵渎了。圣火受侮，让全体中国人想起了一八四○年的鸦片战争，也唤醒了全体华人对于八国联军侵华的痛苦回忆，点燃了中国民族主义的 火燄，促使所有中国人放下歧见，共同走到保奥运的旗帜下。
面对海外华人澎湃的爱国热情，国人不禁要问，当局的外交为何如此失败呢？为何前两年英法两国还跟中国建立战略合作伙伴关係，转眼间就变脸了呢？驻英法的外交官，又怎麽做英法人民的工作呢？
很明显，当局对奥运圣火在伦敦、巴黎所面临形势的严峻性严重估计不足，要不然怎麽会在伦敦安排最长的传递路线呢？是不是对双边关係太过乐观，对英国当局太 过信任了呢？再比如在法国，原先双方协商好，在市政厅举办欢迎仪式，市政厅不挂反华标语，岂料圣火到达五分钟之前，法国人便挂出藏独旗帜，企图以猝不及防 的方式逼中国人就范，但事先驻法使馆怎麽没掌握情况，又怎麽沟通交涉的呢？
暴乱为先应外合
如果看得更清楚一点，就不难发现，今次跟随藏独起哄，不分青红皂白，进而颠倒是非杯葛奥运会的西方政客，很多是人民大会堂的常客、钓鱼台的国宾。比如，宣 布杯葛奥运开幕式的英国首相白高敦，不久前刚刚访华，从北京手中兴高采烈地接过大礼包；再比如，法国总统萨尔科齐去年访华时收到的定单就高达三百多亿美 元。岂料这些政客，嘴角的油水尚未擦乾，转眼就在自己国内藉藏独大肆羞辱中国。西方政客的虚伪固然可耻，但北京当局的幼稚也令人可笑。
豺狼的后代，总归是豺狼，不会变成绵羊。面对藏区骚乱这个几十年未遇的良机，这些当年英法联军的后代，又怎会心慈手软呢？他们难道会因为收到重礼，而变成 绵羊吗？难道喝过中国国酒茅台，就能洗脱他们身上的贪婪本性、仇华本质？相比前几代的中共领导人，这一代的领导层和平麻痹思想太过严重，以为推杯把盏就是 哥儿们，微笑握手就是兄弟，根本没有领会到国际关係的本质就是竞争，外交的实质就是斗争，以斗争求合作，才能获得真友谊，退让妥协，只能让豺狼得寸进尺。
其实，今次藏区骚乱以及杯葛奥运事件，是西方在中国开展的奥运革命，与西方实施所谓的颜色革命实际是一码事。以培养、扶植、利用中国境内外的政治反对派作 为代理人，调境内的街头暴乱为先导，西方媒体的炒作、造势紧随其后，西方列强政客出场关切、以制裁作大棒，应外合，直指中共政权。可惜，北京当局还故作天 真，要「微笑面对世界」。
2008年4月10日星期四
西方社会纵容暴力干扰圣火 北京畏首畏尾让人恨
东方日报／藏独分子在拉萨点起暴乱之火后，又在伦敦、巴黎、三藩市等地抢夺奥运圣火，西方社会百般纵容，甚至颠倒是非、黑白不分，已突破了国人的心理底 线。国难当头，全球华人同仇敌忾，万众一心，显示出惊人的凝聚力与战斗力，但当局瞻前顾后、畏首畏尾的立场却令人遗憾，让人可恨。
很明显，西方社会想通过冲击奥运火炬传递，出中国洋相。北京奥运圣火的传递，彷佛是新时代的国际长征，充满了屈辱与辛酸。据中国跟随火炬团记者揭露，英法 当局在整个传递过程中，暗中不断做手脚、布陷阱。在伦敦，英方给每名中国圣火传递团人员的工作证都做了手脚，将证件上的圣火传递标志中的人像掐头去尾，暗 讽中国没有人权；奥运圣火号专机离开伦敦时，机场工作人员百般刁难，在明知法国午夜宵禁令（入夜后不许他国飞机进入法国领空）的情况下，极力放缓安检速 度，致使圣火号直到最后一刻才起飞，差点耽误了圣火传递安排。
在巴黎，法国一名绿党议员跟北京奥组委常务副主席蒋效愚寒暄过后不多久，就一路狂奔到第一名火炬手身旁，试图抢夺火炬；巴黎市政厅原本要打出「自由西藏」 的巨型标语，经多方沟通，标语内容改为「为了一个更加美好的明天」，中方同意火炬经过市政厅，届时巴黎市长出面接见。但在火炬抵达前五分钟，法方突然变 卦，从市政厅打出了两面巨幅的藏独「雪山狮子」旗，藏独分子一片欢呼。而在传递过程中，西方媒体将镜头对准藏独组织，对中国留学生、侨民的欢迎却视而不 见。
以德报怨饱受屈辱西方国家暗中帮助藏独组织杯葛奥运，激怒了全体华人。一方面，西藏作为中国的一部分是全体华人共识，支持西藏独立，等於挑战华人；另一方面，今次藏独分子打砸抢烧杀，失理在先，违法在前，西方刻意偏袒，颠倒是非，已失公理。
愤怒的华人纷纷提出反制措施。比如，针对英国，可以质问他们甚麽时候将福克兰群岛归还给阿根廷；何时让北爱尔兰和苏格兰独立；又何时将大英博物馆中陈列的 中国文物归还中国？针对法国，可以在北京奥运会期间，向法国代表团提供法国总统夫人的裸体照片，供他们比赛时消遣，或代表团举旗出场时，全体中国观众高呼 「FREE，科西嘉」。这些建议虽有过激之处，但展现了中国人的血性，这是一种忍无可忍、退无可退下的绝地反击，更是饱受屈辱、看透世情后的呐喊。
相比之下，北京当局的立场却令人失望。温家宝称，「真诚办好奥运，微笑面对世界」，但西方国家会微笑回应中国吗？中国这次在英法传递奥运圣火，本身就是一 个错误，中国与英法的关系，犹如东郭先生与狼的关系。中国采购大型飞机、核电站等重大设备，将他们伺候得舒舒服服，到头来却被这些狼反咬一口。所以，与其 将这些民脂民膏喂狼，倒不如用这些钱壮大国防，或者乾脆也成立「科西嘉关注组」、「福克兰岛关注组」，支援当地民众的解放运动。人争一口气、佛争一炷香， 北京当局如此以德报怨，已不是韬光养晦了，而是血性尽失，无能至极。
很明显，西方社会想通过冲击奥运火炬传递，出中国洋相。北京奥运圣火的传递，彷佛是新时代的国际长征，充满了屈辱与辛酸。据中国跟随火炬团记者揭露，英法 当局在整个传递过程中，暗中不断做手脚、布陷阱。在伦敦，英方给每名中国圣火传递团人员的工作证都做了手脚，将证件上的圣火传递标志中的人像掐头去尾，暗 讽中国没有人权；奥运圣火号专机离开伦敦时，机场工作人员百般刁难，在明知法国午夜宵禁令（入夜后不许他国飞机进入法国领空）的情况下，极力放缓安检速 度，致使圣火号直到最后一刻才起飞，差点耽误了圣火传递安排。
在巴黎，法国一名绿党议员跟北京奥组委常务副主席蒋效愚寒暄过后不多久，就一路狂奔到第一名火炬手身旁，试图抢夺火炬；巴黎市政厅原本要打出「自由西藏」 的巨型标语，经多方沟通，标语内容改为「为了一个更加美好的明天」，中方同意火炬经过市政厅，届时巴黎市长出面接见。但在火炬抵达前五分钟，法方突然变 卦，从市政厅打出了两面巨幅的藏独「雪山狮子」旗，藏独分子一片欢呼。而在传递过程中，西方媒体将镜头对准藏独组织，对中国留学生、侨民的欢迎却视而不 见。
以德报怨饱受屈辱西方国家暗中帮助藏独组织杯葛奥运，激怒了全体华人。一方面，西藏作为中国的一部分是全体华人共识，支持西藏独立，等於挑战华人；另一方面，今次藏独分子打砸抢烧杀，失理在先，违法在前，西方刻意偏袒，颠倒是非，已失公理。
愤怒的华人纷纷提出反制措施。比如，针对英国，可以质问他们甚麽时候将福克兰群岛归还给阿根廷；何时让北爱尔兰和苏格兰独立；又何时将大英博物馆中陈列的 中国文物归还中国？针对法国，可以在北京奥运会期间，向法国代表团提供法国总统夫人的裸体照片，供他们比赛时消遣，或代表团举旗出场时，全体中国观众高呼 「FREE，科西嘉」。这些建议虽有过激之处，但展现了中国人的血性，这是一种忍无可忍、退无可退下的绝地反击，更是饱受屈辱、看透世情后的呐喊。
相比之下，北京当局的立场却令人失望。温家宝称，「真诚办好奥运，微笑面对世界」，但西方国家会微笑回应中国吗？中国这次在英法传递奥运圣火，本身就是一 个错误，中国与英法的关系，犹如东郭先生与狼的关系。中国采购大型飞机、核电站等重大设备，将他们伺候得舒舒服服，到头来却被这些狼反咬一口。所以，与其 将这些民脂民膏喂狼，倒不如用这些钱壮大国防，或者乾脆也成立「科西嘉关注组」、「福克兰岛关注组」，支援当地民众的解放运动。人争一口气、佛争一炷香， 北京当局如此以德报怨，已不是韬光养晦了，而是血性尽失，无能至极。
巴黎奥运圣火冲突目击记 绿党议员竟然也抢火炬
从伦敦的温布莱球场到大英博物馆，从巴黎的艾菲尔铁塔到罗浮宫，奥运圣火所到之处，都受到支持西藏独立和人权分子抗议，但同时，各地华人也高举五星红旗支持北京奥运，双方爆发碰撞冲突。
北京奥运圣火到了伦敦，有人要抢，又有人要灭火，但总算有惊无险，终能保住圣火不灭。但火炬到了巴黎，就曾经四度灭火，越演越疯狂。
伦敦圣火传递活动於当地时间四月六日上午十时三十分在温布莱球场展开。警方部署了二千多名警员。圣火传递途中发生多次惊险场面，传递活动进行了不足一小 时，就不断出现惊险场面，一名负责传递圣火的英国电视台巴基斯坦裔知名电视节目女主持人正手持圣火跑步时，突然有一名身材高大的示威者突破重围，猛扯她手 中的火炬。过了没多久，又有示威者出动灭火筒，企图将灭火剂喷向圣火，现场一度混乱。圣火途经大英博物馆时，有大批支持西藏人士在马路两旁示威，高举「雪 山狮子旗」和高叫「西藏自由」口号。整个传递中，最少有三十五名示威者被捕。
但到了巴黎，圣火的命运就不一样了。四月七日清晨，法国突然下起罕见的四月雪，冰冷的早晨却阻挡不了数百个抗议的团体，他们穿起厚外套，往艾菲尔铁塔、人权广场、香榭丽舍大道出发了。
上午十点多，铁塔对岸的人权广场，开始出现人群了，支持西藏的团体纷纷拉起布条「西藏自由」、「血腥世界，欢迎光临奥林匹克运动会Made in China」，还有穿着暗红色袈裟的僧侣也出现了。
一名高举中国五星红旗的男子正大步穿越人权广场，未料引起骚动，有人要扯下红旗，这名中国支持者奋力抵挡，幸好警察出面制止，才解除冲突。这时，人权广场 已挤满了人群，许多中国留学生后来便往塞纳河方向聚集，他们在塞纳河畔的纽约大道上，高举红旗，呐喊「中国万岁，奥运万岁」，支持西藏的团体也不甘示弱， 挥舞黑色的支持西藏的旗帜高喊「解放西藏」，冲突一触即发。
巴黎市政府早预知会有示威活动，部署了三千警力，圣火传送起点艾菲尔铁塔附近早已管制。宽阔的草地上，只有中国奥运团带来的龙狮队在庆高采烈地翻腾，少了围观的群众。倒是无疆界记者组织的两名成员如蜘蛛人，突然出现铁塔上，挂起了手铐相连的黑色五环旗时，引起一阵惊呼。
绿党议员也抢火炬
中午十二时三十分，法国四百公尺跨栏冠军戴格纳（Diagana）从艾菲尔铁塔拿着圣火往下走时，绿党巴黎市议员嘉雷尔（Sylvain Garel）立刻趋前抢圣火，他被警察带走后，另一名绿党市议员则因携带灭火器，也遭警察逮捕，不过他们很快获释。
圣火从起点艾菲尔铁塔开始接力传送，跑了二百公尺，就发生许多意外，数名抗议者逼近到距离圣火只有一臂之遥，最后被警察拦下。三百多名示威群众挡在圣火前，警察必须以催泪弹驱散人群，还有一名示威者拿起装满水的胶瓶，泼向圣火，传火炬者个个神情紧张。
因安全考量，主办单位不得不将圣火暂时熄掉，送进车里，行走塞纳河畔，二十分钟后，再重新点燃。
不到一小时，一名坐轮椅的运动员举着火炬从快速道路隧道出现后，很快又被支持西藏的团体挡住去向，圣火再度熄灭。当圣火第三次熄灭要登上专车时，示威者不断将塑胶瓶、杯子与面包等物品掷向圣火专车，发泄心中的愤怒。
圣火来到罗浮宫附近时，现场的示威者手持灭火筒，准备向前冲，喷熄火炬，警方在安全考量下，第四度技术熄灭圣火。
法国奥委会所规划的圣火传递路线共二十八公里，由八十名运动选手，以低於每小时八公里的速度慢跑，预计於下午五时，抵达法国国际奥委会总部夏洛蒂运动场。然而圣火接棒行动因多次停滞，走走停停，耽误了两个多小时。
保护圣火的队伍相当庞大，除了法国的警察外，中国政府也派出了一队穿着蓝色运动服的圣火护卫队随行，他们的职责是保护火种，可是，伦敦与巴黎奥委会对这批安全人员颇有微词，巴黎市长德拉诺埃隔天接受电台访问时，还批评这些人团团围住圣火，阻碍了圣火传递的顺畅。
下午四时三十分，法国国民议会的议员们中断正在审查的基因改造法案，四十多名各党派的国会议员配带三色彩带，在波旁宫前抗议，要求中国尊重人权。
大阵仗的圣火队伍行经香榭大道时，抗议声与嘘声四起，支持者也高举五星红旗，与反对者夹混，彼此带着敌意。支持中国大陆举办奥运的旅居法国的中国侨民，也抓住所有镜头扫过的机会，扬起五星旗高喊，希望世人能看到这除了反对者的声音外，也有支持者的声音。
手铐相连的黑色五环旗与西藏旗帜能见度相当高，出现在香榭大道、圣母院的钟塔上与巴黎市政府。
原本法国奥委会计划在巴黎市政府举行盛大的圣火欢迎会，巴黎的华侨团体也准备率领龙狮团到巴黎市政府助阵。后因支持西藏团体也将到市政府前广场抗议，为了避免造成正面冲突，市政府最后要求华侨团体取消龙狮锣鼓迎圣火的活动。为此巴黎华侨界感到相当遗憾。
社会党籍的巴黎市长德拉诺埃早在数天前，即公开表示要在巴黎市政府前挂起「巴黎捍卫世界各地的人权」的标语。中国大使馆数度「沟通」无效，加上巴黎市议员决定在巴黎市政府正面挂起西藏旗帜，可能因此，中国方面最后决定取消圣火至巴黎市政府的行程。
直到下午五时前，眼看已经到不了目的地，主办单位最后决定圣火坐上大客车，改变路线前往夏洛蒂运动场。
此时，抗议的群众纷纷躺在马路上，意图阻挡圣火专车前行，警察们只好一边劝一边拉起民众，让圣火专车离去，下午五时三十四分，奥运圣火终於抵达终点站，所有人都捏了一把冷汗。
虽然法国总统仍未决定是否参加奥运开幕式，但总统府方面却不希望圣火绕行横生枝节，场面搞得这么难看，庆典变成恶梦，总统府也不免顾虑北京的反应。总统府官员说：「能怪谁，路线是中国方面决定的，警察只能执行勤务，这种场面怎么挡得住。」
巴黎市长后来说：「圣火经不经过巴黎市政府，不是由中国官员决定。我不会放弃尊重人权、支持西藏人民的原则，但我也重视奥运的价值，只是中国不愿接受各种因素并存的可能性。」
奥运火炬要到五月二日才到中国境内首站的香港，相信中途波折仍然不断上演。
北京奥运圣火到了伦敦，有人要抢，又有人要灭火，但总算有惊无险，终能保住圣火不灭。但火炬到了巴黎，就曾经四度灭火，越演越疯狂。
伦敦圣火传递活动於当地时间四月六日上午十时三十分在温布莱球场展开。警方部署了二千多名警员。圣火传递途中发生多次惊险场面，传递活动进行了不足一小 时，就不断出现惊险场面，一名负责传递圣火的英国电视台巴基斯坦裔知名电视节目女主持人正手持圣火跑步时，突然有一名身材高大的示威者突破重围，猛扯她手 中的火炬。过了没多久，又有示威者出动灭火筒，企图将灭火剂喷向圣火，现场一度混乱。圣火途经大英博物馆时，有大批支持西藏人士在马路两旁示威，高举「雪 山狮子旗」和高叫「西藏自由」口号。整个传递中，最少有三十五名示威者被捕。
但到了巴黎，圣火的命运就不一样了。四月七日清晨，法国突然下起罕见的四月雪，冰冷的早晨却阻挡不了数百个抗议的团体，他们穿起厚外套，往艾菲尔铁塔、人权广场、香榭丽舍大道出发了。
上午十点多，铁塔对岸的人权广场，开始出现人群了，支持西藏的团体纷纷拉起布条「西藏自由」、「血腥世界，欢迎光临奥林匹克运动会Made in China」，还有穿着暗红色袈裟的僧侣也出现了。
一名高举中国五星红旗的男子正大步穿越人权广场，未料引起骚动，有人要扯下红旗，这名中国支持者奋力抵挡，幸好警察出面制止，才解除冲突。这时，人权广场 已挤满了人群，许多中国留学生后来便往塞纳河方向聚集，他们在塞纳河畔的纽约大道上，高举红旗，呐喊「中国万岁，奥运万岁」，支持西藏的团体也不甘示弱， 挥舞黑色的支持西藏的旗帜高喊「解放西藏」，冲突一触即发。
巴黎市政府早预知会有示威活动，部署了三千警力，圣火传送起点艾菲尔铁塔附近早已管制。宽阔的草地上，只有中国奥运团带来的龙狮队在庆高采烈地翻腾，少了围观的群众。倒是无疆界记者组织的两名成员如蜘蛛人，突然出现铁塔上，挂起了手铐相连的黑色五环旗时，引起一阵惊呼。
绿党议员也抢火炬
中午十二时三十分，法国四百公尺跨栏冠军戴格纳（Diagana）从艾菲尔铁塔拿着圣火往下走时，绿党巴黎市议员嘉雷尔（Sylvain Garel）立刻趋前抢圣火，他被警察带走后，另一名绿党市议员则因携带灭火器，也遭警察逮捕，不过他们很快获释。
圣火从起点艾菲尔铁塔开始接力传送，跑了二百公尺，就发生许多意外，数名抗议者逼近到距离圣火只有一臂之遥，最后被警察拦下。三百多名示威群众挡在圣火前，警察必须以催泪弹驱散人群，还有一名示威者拿起装满水的胶瓶，泼向圣火，传火炬者个个神情紧张。
因安全考量，主办单位不得不将圣火暂时熄掉，送进车里，行走塞纳河畔，二十分钟后，再重新点燃。
不到一小时，一名坐轮椅的运动员举着火炬从快速道路隧道出现后，很快又被支持西藏的团体挡住去向，圣火再度熄灭。当圣火第三次熄灭要登上专车时，示威者不断将塑胶瓶、杯子与面包等物品掷向圣火专车，发泄心中的愤怒。
圣火来到罗浮宫附近时，现场的示威者手持灭火筒，准备向前冲，喷熄火炬，警方在安全考量下，第四度技术熄灭圣火。
法国奥委会所规划的圣火传递路线共二十八公里，由八十名运动选手，以低於每小时八公里的速度慢跑，预计於下午五时，抵达法国国际奥委会总部夏洛蒂运动场。然而圣火接棒行动因多次停滞，走走停停，耽误了两个多小时。
保护圣火的队伍相当庞大，除了法国的警察外，中国政府也派出了一队穿着蓝色运动服的圣火护卫队随行，他们的职责是保护火种，可是，伦敦与巴黎奥委会对这批安全人员颇有微词，巴黎市长德拉诺埃隔天接受电台访问时，还批评这些人团团围住圣火，阻碍了圣火传递的顺畅。
下午四时三十分，法国国民议会的议员们中断正在审查的基因改造法案，四十多名各党派的国会议员配带三色彩带，在波旁宫前抗议，要求中国尊重人权。
大阵仗的圣火队伍行经香榭大道时，抗议声与嘘声四起，支持者也高举五星红旗，与反对者夹混，彼此带着敌意。支持中国大陆举办奥运的旅居法国的中国侨民，也抓住所有镜头扫过的机会，扬起五星旗高喊，希望世人能看到这除了反对者的声音外，也有支持者的声音。
手铐相连的黑色五环旗与西藏旗帜能见度相当高，出现在香榭大道、圣母院的钟塔上与巴黎市政府。
原本法国奥委会计划在巴黎市政府举行盛大的圣火欢迎会，巴黎的华侨团体也准备率领龙狮团到巴黎市政府助阵。后因支持西藏团体也将到市政府前广场抗议，为了避免造成正面冲突，市政府最后要求华侨团体取消龙狮锣鼓迎圣火的活动。为此巴黎华侨界感到相当遗憾。
社会党籍的巴黎市长德拉诺埃早在数天前，即公开表示要在巴黎市政府前挂起「巴黎捍卫世界各地的人权」的标语。中国大使馆数度「沟通」无效，加上巴黎市议员决定在巴黎市政府正面挂起西藏旗帜，可能因此，中国方面最后决定取消圣火至巴黎市政府的行程。
直到下午五时前，眼看已经到不了目的地，主办单位最后决定圣火坐上大客车，改变路线前往夏洛蒂运动场。
此时，抗议的群众纷纷躺在马路上，意图阻挡圣火专车前行，警察们只好一边劝一边拉起民众，让圣火专车离去，下午五时三十四分，奥运圣火终於抵达终点站，所有人都捏了一把冷汗。
虽然法国总统仍未决定是否参加奥运开幕式，但总统府方面却不希望圣火绕行横生枝节，场面搞得这么难看，庆典变成恶梦，总统府也不免顾虑北京的反应。总统府官员说：「能怪谁，路线是中国方面决定的，警察只能执行勤务，这种场面怎么挡得住。」
巴黎市长后来说：「圣火经不经过巴黎市政府，不是由中国官员决定。我不会放弃尊重人权、支持西藏人民的原则，但我也重视奥运的价值，只是中国不愿接受各种因素并存的可能性。」
奥运火炬要到五月二日才到中国境内首站的香港，相信中途波折仍然不断上演。
2008年4月9日星期三
有关西藏、藏传佛教和达赖的书籍与资料
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发信人: yifeng (朽木长风), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: 徐明旭《陰謀與虔誠﹕西藏騷亂的來龍去脈》全文链接
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 29 16:11:55 2008)
http://www.tangben.com/Himalaya.htm
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标 题: 新整理一批西藏资料图片【英文的】，供大家利用
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 29 03:20:49 2008)
从这本书scanned： Eyewitnesses to 100 years of Tibet----History insteaded of
conclusion
http://www.pbase.com/pwwp/scanned
点击原始尺寸， 谁能修改下尺寸，方便阅读啊？现在的尺寸太大了。
大都是当年见证了历史的藏族同胞写的：
A系列 西藏当年和现在的人权
B系列， 58年叛乱的经过
C系列， 和平解放西藏前后
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发信人: antonycao (sandiego), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: 西方人对达赖的质疑－－达赖真的那么伟大嘛？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 26 01:12:45 2008)
罕见的公正的好文章
一个大奴隶主，控制着一个曾经没有任何人权的地区，现在在这儿谈自由民主，简直是
笑话。
如果你说他被驱逐的时候还年少不懂事，那么他拒绝评论伊拉克战争，在我来看，完全
就是kiss美国政府的ass，恶心至极。
Recently President Bush presented the Dalai Lama the Gold Medal, Congress’s
highest and most prestigious civilian award. It was a glamorous ceremony in
the Capitol Rotunda, attended by the rich and famous. Senators Diane
Feinstein, Robert Byrd, Harry Reid, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were
among the hundreds of admirers.
Actor Richard Gere, his spokesman and one of his biggest fans, proclaimed “
It’s that just by the proximity to him, you will get spiritually healed,”
and he called him “the greatest living human.”
President Bush called him a “universal symbol of peace and tolerance, a
shepherd of the faithful and a keeper of the flame for his people.”
The Dalai Lama also has his critics. Author Michael Parenti sees him as
reflecting a distressing symbiosis between religion and violence. Historian
Howard Zinn expresses disappointment in the Dalai Lama’s suggestion to wait
a few years before judging the war in Iraq, when this preemptive and
illegal war is such a clear-cut moral issue.
So what are we to make of the Dalai Lama? Who is this frail man, his hands
folded as if in permanent prayer, with a smile that rarely leaves his face
and a bow in deference to those who cross his path? He moves slowly and
gracefully and he talks a lot about forgiveness and peace.
This apparently gentle man is the 14th of a long line of reborn Dalai Lamas
who ruled over a brutal feudal theocracy where disobedience was not
tolerated. Punishment ranged from loss of limbs to the gouging out of eyes
and flogging people to death.
It was a country where most of the population were serfs and slaves, totally
accountable to their masters. Some slaves tried to survive by begging. A
few hundred privileged families shared power with the Dalai Lama and owned
most of the land. The old Tibet was far removed from the freedom that Dalai
Lama and his supporters are talking about. There were no schools, no
healthcare, and the literacy rate was about 5 percent.
There are those who see the Dalai Lama as a man of contradictions and they
see his admirers as gullible and misinformed. He has expressed his belief
that modern science takes precedence over ancient religions, but he ruled
over a medieval and brutal theocracy. He preaches peace but refuses to pass
judgment on Iraq.
Is the Dalai Lama speaking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to play it
safe and to offend nobody? It seems clear that this seemingly meek
gentleman is a shrewd observer of human events. To many observers he remains
an enigma.
Was Tibet ever this romantic, Hollywood-style Shangri La? Were the Tibetan
people, with their colorful garments, bells, and horns, really content as
they submitted to the rituals of prayer and as they clapped their hands to
get rid of doubts and harmful emotions, hoping for greater awareness and
enlightenment? Or did they not know any better as they spent their lives in
this remote and isolated society? Did China destroy Shangri-La and a
beautiful ancient culture or did they liberate and modernize a backward and
brutal kingdom?
China invaded Tibet in 1959. The foreign-sponsored uprising was easily
crushed and the Dalai Lama with his riches and thousands of followers fled
to India, where he set up his government in exile. The “Free Tibet”
movement and the west would like to return the Dalai Lama to his throne. The
Dalai Lama himself claims that he is not seeking independence but “
meaningful autonomy,” while China accuses the Dalai Lama of a hidden agenda.
China has significantly altered Tibet’s social structure. China has
constructed roads and introduced light industry. They built hundreds of
schools and life expectancy has dramatically improved. Michael Parenti among
others points out that the Chinese abolished slavery, built hospitals, and
eliminated mutilations, floggings and amputations.
They introduced land reform. Acres of land formerly owned by nobles and
lamas were distributed to landless peasants. Not many Tibetans would choose
to go back to slavery and grinding poverty. They don’t look at the Chinese
occupation as Paradise Lost.
One of the Dalai Lama’s missions is to preserve and to keep the ancient
Tibetan culture alive. But what is this cultural heritage that the Dalai
Lama is trying to preserve? Does it include the teaching of the feudal
system, and the need for slavery and absolute obedience? Does it teach the
poor that their life of suffering is due to the evil acts they committed in
previous lives and that they must accept their life of misery as atonement
for past sins?
For the Tibetans the issue is whether you hold on to an ancient culture of
social injustice or you support moving into the modern age. Many former
serfs have sided with China.
Indications are that the powerful lamas and their ancient culture that this
Dalai Lama wants to preserve may be a thing of the past unless foreign
troops try to change the course of history.
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发信人: ghosteye (幽灵), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Re: 求教有关西藏、藏传佛教和达赖的书籍与资料
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 26 02:13:23 2008)
See
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html
The links below might be broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_RHV5BGRqM&feature=related
Check the About this video section.
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** Australian newspaper reports "US Finger in Unrest Pie" on March 24, 2008,
with subtitle: "WHICH country's interests are best served by an uprising in
Tibet on the eve of the Beijing Olympics?" The last sentence of the article
: "China is not perfect, but nor are the Dalai Lama and the Free Tibet crowd
, who are being used as pawns by the US."
"http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0, 22884,23423457-5006550,00.html"
(Cut-and-paste the above URL or Google "US Finger in Unrest Pie")
** Asia Times alos has a article on march 26, 2008 taht says teh riots "
planning took place outside of Tibet", "on the basis of available evidence,
it was possible to assess with a reasonable measure of conviction that the
initial uprising in Lhasa on March 14 had been pre-planned and well
orchestrated".
http://atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad...
** US State Department archive on Tibet operations:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/...
** MAKING TIBET A RUNNING SORE and A NUISANCE to the CHINESE:
The former CIA Executive Assistant, Sam Halpern, said "I think the basic the
whole idea was to keep Chinese occupied somehow, keep them annoyed, keep
them disturbed. No body wanted to go to war over Tibet. That's pretty clear.
We did go to war over Korea. We did go to war over Indochina. We won't go
to war over Tibet. And so, it was nuisance operation, basically nothing more
. And I'll think it's American point of view, it wouldn't cost very much,
even money or manpower. Anyway it was not manpower, it was Tibetan manpower.
We were willing to help Tibetans from becoming a running sore and a
nuisance to the Chinese"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcGCjo...
** "Students For A Free Tibet" ("STF"): directly quoted from SFT website: "
SFT's programs focus on two main areas: hard-hitting campaigns to make China
's occupation of Tibet too costly to maintain, and training to help students
become successful leaders and activists for Tibet" http://studentsforafreetibet.org/sect...
** CIA operations in 1984-1995 period as reported in the website of "Friends
of Tibet" - one of the CIA front organizations for Tibet operations.
http://www.friendsoftibet.org/databan...
** From 1959 to at least 1970, the Tibetan government in exile received $1.7
million (or $11.6 million in 2006 dollar) a year from CIA. The money is
used to pay the terrorist activities against China. Dalai Lama himself was
on CIA's payroll until 1974, reportedly receiving $180,000 a year ($897,000
in 2006 dollar). The funds were paid to him personally. National Endowment
for Democracy ("NED") has taken over to finance Dalai Lama after 1970, and
there is no record in ppublic domain that shows how much money is funneled
to Dalai Lama since then.http:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busines...
http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/...
** CIA Front Organizations:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.ph...
http://news.imagethief.com/blogs/chin...
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/www.sa...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.i...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article300...
http://venezuelasolidarity.org.uk/ven...
**Buddhism and Violences:
http://www.aasianst.org/absts/2005abs...
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~stroble/BUDDW...
http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?...
http://www.bodydharma.org/choices/vio...
http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?...
** All About Dalai Lama (violence, war, meat-eating, missing sex, exile
government,...):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/0...
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/95...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busines...
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13n...
http://www.trimondi.de/EN/interv03.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/200...
http://www.badkarmalama.com/open-lett...
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/31/sto...
http://www.aegis.com/news/lt/1989/LT8...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom...
http://www.enabling.org/ia/vipassana/...
** Others:
http://www.international.ucla.edu/art...
http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/p...
http://www.cefc.com.hk/uk/pc/articles...
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/...
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007...
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 29 16:11:55 2008)
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发信人: pwwp (歪哥), 信区: Military
标 题: 新整理一批西藏资料图片【英文的】，供大家利用
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 29 03:20:49 2008)
从这本书scanned： Eyewitnesses to 100 years of Tibet----History insteaded of
conclusion
http://www.pbase.com/pwwp/scanned
点击原始尺寸， 谁能修改下尺寸，方便阅读啊？现在的尺寸太大了。
大都是当年见证了历史的藏族同胞写的：
A系列 西藏当年和现在的人权
B系列， 58年叛乱的经过
C系列， 和平解放西藏前后
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发信人: antonycao (sandiego), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: 西方人对达赖的质疑－－达赖真的那么伟大嘛？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 26 01:12:45 2008)
罕见的公正的好文章
一个大奴隶主，控制着一个曾经没有任何人权的地区，现在在这儿谈自由民主，简直是
笑话。
如果你说他被驱逐的时候还年少不懂事，那么他拒绝评论伊拉克战争，在我来看，完全
就是kiss美国政府的ass，恶心至极。
Recently President Bush presented the Dalai Lama the Gold Medal, Congress’s
highest and most prestigious civilian award. It was a glamorous ceremony in
the Capitol Rotunda, attended by the rich and famous. Senators Diane
Feinstein, Robert Byrd, Harry Reid, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were
among the hundreds of admirers.
Actor Richard Gere, his spokesman and one of his biggest fans, proclaimed “
It’s that just by the proximity to him, you will get spiritually healed,”
and he called him “the greatest living human.”
President Bush called him a “universal symbol of peace and tolerance, a
shepherd of the faithful and a keeper of the flame for his people.”
The Dalai Lama also has his critics. Author Michael Parenti sees him as
reflecting a distressing symbiosis between religion and violence. Historian
Howard Zinn expresses disappointment in the Dalai Lama’s suggestion to wait
a few years before judging the war in Iraq, when this preemptive and
illegal war is such a clear-cut moral issue.
So what are we to make of the Dalai Lama? Who is this frail man, his hands
folded as if in permanent prayer, with a smile that rarely leaves his face
and a bow in deference to those who cross his path? He moves slowly and
gracefully and he talks a lot about forgiveness and peace.
This apparently gentle man is the 14th of a long line of reborn Dalai Lamas
who ruled over a brutal feudal theocracy where disobedience was not
tolerated. Punishment ranged from loss of limbs to the gouging out of eyes
and flogging people to death.
It was a country where most of the population were serfs and slaves, totally
accountable to their masters. Some slaves tried to survive by begging. A
few hundred privileged families shared power with the Dalai Lama and owned
most of the land. The old Tibet was far removed from the freedom that Dalai
Lama and his supporters are talking about. There were no schools, no
healthcare, and the literacy rate was about 5 percent.
There are those who see the Dalai Lama as a man of contradictions and they
see his admirers as gullible and misinformed. He has expressed his belief
that modern science takes precedence over ancient religions, but he ruled
over a medieval and brutal theocracy. He preaches peace but refuses to pass
judgment on Iraq.
Is the Dalai Lama speaking out of both sides of his mouth, trying to play it
safe and to offend nobody? It seems clear that this seemingly meek
gentleman is a shrewd observer of human events. To many observers he remains
an enigma.
Was Tibet ever this romantic, Hollywood-style Shangri La? Were the Tibetan
people, with their colorful garments, bells, and horns, really content as
they submitted to the rituals of prayer and as they clapped their hands to
get rid of doubts and harmful emotions, hoping for greater awareness and
enlightenment? Or did they not know any better as they spent their lives in
this remote and isolated society? Did China destroy Shangri-La and a
beautiful ancient culture or did they liberate and modernize a backward and
brutal kingdom?
China invaded Tibet in 1959. The foreign-sponsored uprising was easily
crushed and the Dalai Lama with his riches and thousands of followers fled
to India, where he set up his government in exile. The “Free Tibet”
movement and the west would like to return the Dalai Lama to his throne. The
Dalai Lama himself claims that he is not seeking independence but “
meaningful autonomy,” while China accuses the Dalai Lama of a hidden agenda.
China has significantly altered Tibet’s social structure. China has
constructed roads and introduced light industry. They built hundreds of
schools and life expectancy has dramatically improved. Michael Parenti among
others points out that the Chinese abolished slavery, built hospitals, and
eliminated mutilations, floggings and amputations.
They introduced land reform. Acres of land formerly owned by nobles and
lamas were distributed to landless peasants. Not many Tibetans would choose
to go back to slavery and grinding poverty. They don’t look at the Chinese
occupation as Paradise Lost.
One of the Dalai Lama’s missions is to preserve and to keep the ancient
Tibetan culture alive. But what is this cultural heritage that the Dalai
Lama is trying to preserve? Does it include the teaching of the feudal
system, and the need for slavery and absolute obedience? Does it teach the
poor that their life of suffering is due to the evil acts they committed in
previous lives and that they must accept their life of misery as atonement
for past sins?
For the Tibetans the issue is whether you hold on to an ancient culture of
social injustice or you support moving into the modern age. Many former
serfs have sided with China.
Indications are that the powerful lamas and their ancient culture that this
Dalai Lama wants to preserve may be a thing of the past unless foreign
troops try to change the course of history.
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发信人: ghosteye (幽灵), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: Re: 求教有关西藏、藏传佛教和达赖的书籍与资料
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Mar 26 02:13:23 2008)
See
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/history/vol_xxx/337_343.html
The links below might be broken.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_RHV5BGRqM&feature=related
Check the About this video section.
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** Australian newspaper reports "US Finger in Unrest Pie" on March 24, 2008,
with subtitle: "WHICH country's interests are best served by an uprising in
Tibet on the eve of the Beijing Olympics?" The last sentence of the article
: "China is not perfect, but nor are the Dalai Lama and the Free Tibet crowd
, who are being used as pawns by the US."
"http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0, 22884,23423457-5006550,00.html"
(Cut-and-paste the above URL or Google "US Finger in Unrest Pie")
** Asia Times alos has a article on march 26, 2008 taht says teh riots "
planning took place outside of Tibet", "on the basis of available evidence,
it was possible to assess with a reasonable measure of conviction that the
initial uprising in Lhasa on March 14 had been pre-planned and well
orchestrated".
http://atimes.com/atimes/China/JC26Ad...
** US State Department archive on Tibet operations:
http://www.state.gov/www/about_state/...
** MAKING TIBET A RUNNING SORE and A NUISANCE to the CHINESE:
The former CIA Executive Assistant, Sam Halpern, said "I think the basic the
whole idea was to keep Chinese occupied somehow, keep them annoyed, keep
them disturbed. No body wanted to go to war over Tibet. That's pretty clear.
We did go to war over Korea. We did go to war over Indochina. We won't go
to war over Tibet. And so, it was nuisance operation, basically nothing more
. And I'll think it's American point of view, it wouldn't cost very much,
even money or manpower. Anyway it was not manpower, it was Tibetan manpower.
We were willing to help Tibetans from becoming a running sore and a
nuisance to the Chinese"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcGCjo...
** "Students For A Free Tibet" ("STF"): directly quoted from SFT website: "
SFT's programs focus on two main areas: hard-hitting campaigns to make China
's occupation of Tibet too costly to maintain, and training to help students
become successful leaders and activists for Tibet" http://studentsforafreetibet.org/sect...
** CIA operations in 1984-1995 period as reported in the website of "Friends
of Tibet" - one of the CIA front organizations for Tibet operations.
http://www.friendsoftibet.org/databan...
** From 1959 to at least 1970, the Tibetan government in exile received $1.7
million (or $11.6 million in 2006 dollar) a year from CIA. The money is
used to pay the terrorist activities against China. Dalai Lama himself was
on CIA's payroll until 1974, reportedly receiving $180,000 a year ($897,000
in 2006 dollar). The funds were paid to him personally. National Endowment
for Democracy ("NED") has taken over to finance Dalai Lama after 1970, and
there is no record in ppublic domain that shows how much money is funneled
to Dalai Lama since then.http:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busines...
http://www.indianexpress.com/res/web/...
** CIA Front Organizations:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.ph...
http://news.imagethief.com/blogs/chin...
http://www.gnucash.org/mirrors/www.sa...
http://www.informationclearinghouse.i...
http://www.voltairenet.org/article300...
http://venezuelasolidarity.org.uk/ven...
**Buddhism and Violences:
http://www.aasianst.org/absts/2005abs...
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~stroble/BUDDW...
http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?...
http://www.bodydharma.org/choices/vio...
http://www.sangam.org/articles/view/?...
** All About Dalai Lama (violence, war, meat-eating, missing sex, exile
government,...):
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/0...
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/95...
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busines...
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13n...
http://www.trimondi.de/EN/interv03.html
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/200...
http://www.badkarmalama.com/open-lett...
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/31/sto...
http://www.aegis.com/news/lt/1989/LT8...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom...
http://www.enabling.org/ia/vipassana/...
** Others:
http://www.international.ucla.edu/art...
http://www.palgrave-usa.com/catalog/p...
http://www.cefc.com.hk/uk/pc/articles...
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/...
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007...
http://www.anandainfo.com/tantric_rob... (less) 有关西藏、藏传佛教和达赖的书籍与资料
1882 China Map
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/
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关于4.19 抗议。重要！！！！！
各位兄弟姐妹大家好，
我是德累斯顿的一名普通学生，今天中午偶然间在 Gerokstrasse 的邮局门口看到竟然
有几个德国人在宣传西藏真相。 让我极其感动， 他们把达赖喇嘛的头像换成狗头 并
且和希特勒的头像放在一起 ，并把他们称英帝国发动"欧亚战争" 的玩偶。 看到他们
，真的是让我觉得很振奋，德国还是有没被洗脑的人存在！！ 所以，我把他们在德国
各地的联系方法记了下来，希望大家能够主动和他们联系，打电话 或者写email都行，
争取让他们能派代表来参加我们的抗议活动， 哪怕只来一个人也是我们的胜利！！！
在这种时候我们必须要争取德国人的帮助！！
他们的官网是www.bueso.de
Email : info@bueso.de
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标 题: excerpt from discussion about Tibet on PBS by M.A.Jones - An Austral
ian teacher
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&sid=ce0b20590dd445725153c83
b5ef21c7f
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=68073&postdays=0&postorder=asc&topic_view=&start=30
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发信人: mpthree (fun), 信区: Military
标 题: Violence in Tibet is Unacceptable
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Apr 6 18:22:11 2008)
http://www.stanfordreview.org/Archive/Volume_XL/Issue_6/World/world1.shtml
Violence in Tibet is Unacceptable
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发信人: dour (dou\'r), 信区: Military
标 题: 有文化的西方人的西藏comments
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 25 11:04:30 2008)
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10875823&mode=comment
Euphonium wrote:
March 24, 2008 10:58
A side note from my experience and observation, not directly related to
Tibet:
Over the tens (if not hundreds) of years of propaganda Chinese people have
gone through, they have developed very trained eyes to immediately filter
out the propaganda part and get the truth part of every official report (I'm
not sure they have developed the same skills against western media though).
Propaganda actually doesn't work for Chinese now. Believe it or not,
neither does the government expect it to work. It becomes more a ritual, or
the "Chinese way to say things" if you will. If the Chinese government
suddenly speaks without propaganda, most Chinese people will get confused
and wonder what's really going on. Hilarious it may sound, but that is the
status quo. Nobody knows better than Chinese that "the truth is always
somewhere in between".
Speaking of westerners, or particularly Americans, most people did not have
the "privilege" to get so much training about propaganda, and the result is
a rather naive attitude towards media reports: either it's complete truth,
or it's complete propaganda. In that sense, they don't have any immune
system against skilled propaganda, a good portion of which is from the
western media (which to Chinese eyes aren't skilled at all). I found it
amusing how the two American young people in the TV documentary got so
completely converted to pro-China in a 10-day trip to Tibet. You can't
convert a Chinese that easily, no matter which direction it goes. On a side
note, what was shown in the documentary is basically consistent with what I
saw in Tibet when I was there, I make no further generalization though.
Think to Exist wrote:
March 23, 2008 22:10
To support my previous commentary. Here are some historical facts about
Tibet, all from westerners. Read yourself.
"In the Dalai Lama's Tibet, torture and mutilation -- including eye gouging,
the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation of arms and legs -
- were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, runaway serfs, and other
"criminals."
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a
former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a
monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated
beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama
told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion." (19)
Some Western visitors to Old Tibet remarked on the number of amputees to be
seen. Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some
offenders were severely lashed and then "left to God" in the freezing night
to die. "The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,"
concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. (20)
Some monasteries had their own private prisons, reports Anna Louise Strong.
In 1959, she visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used
by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small
ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, and
breaking off hands.
Theocratic despotism had been the rule for generations. An English visitor
to Tibet in 1895, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the Tibetan people were
under the "intolerable tyranny of monks" and the devil superstitions they
had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the
Dalai Lama's rule as "an engine of oppression" and "a barrier to all human
improvement."
At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O'Connor,
observed that "the great landowners and the priests . . . exercise each in
their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal," while
the people are "oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and
priest-craft the world has ever seen." Tibetan rulers, like those of Europe
during the Middle Ages, "forged innumerable weapons of servitude, invented
degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition" among the common
people. (23)
In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, "The Lamaist monk does not
spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them, nor do
laymen take part in or even attend the monastery services. The beggar beside
the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded
prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and
wealth." (24)
More on:
http://www.swans.com/library/art9/mparen01.html#019
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Think to Exist wrote:
March 23, 2008 21:05
Is there anyone here have read the history of Tibet before 1950? Anyone?
I happened to read couples of books written by historians from Britain.
The history before 1950 is relevant to answer the question: what will happen
if one day, Tibet gets its independence? Will they live happily thereafter(
as most Dalia supporters assume)? The world will be better off?
There is a close modern parallel: The Afghanistan under the Taliban regime.
Is that a kind of regime you guys are looking forward to?
Before 1959, Tibet was under the Lamaist (Buddhist) theocracy. Just like
most theocracies in history, it was a very cruel and inhumane form of
governing. Most Tibentans were under the slavery by the monks. It was a
slavery, agreed by most western historians.
I don't like either side of this debate. But speak of the facts, before 1959
, human rights situation was a lot worse. Many offenses were punished by
cutting arms and legs or taking out eyes, literally. Read the history
yourself. One of the books I read was published by Cambridge University.
I haven't heard about Dalai Lama denounced the Lamaist (Buddhist) theocracy.
I hope he has the ability to deliver a modern democracy.
I don't like either side but couldn't help correcting some misconceptions.
Read history. Please.
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http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12585
Why They Hate China
Well, you have to hate someone…
by Justin Raimondo
China's continuing crackdown on Tibetan pro-independence protesters is a big
, big issue here in San Francisco. Why, just the other day, I was coming out
my front door, and there was one of my neighbors – a very nice woman in
her fifties, albeit an archetypal limousine liberal, typical of the breed.
So typical that she might almost be mistaken for a living, breathing,
walking, talking cliché. She hates George W. Bush and the neocons because
she's against the (Iraq) war, but she's eager to "liberate" Darfur – and,
lately, Tibet. That morning, as she earnestly informed me, she was on her
way to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors (our town council) to exhort
them to vote for a resolution condemning the Chinese government's actions
and calling for "freedom" for Tibet. What she doesn't realize, and doesn't
want to know, is that she and the neocons – the very ones who brought us
the Iraq war – are united on the Tibet issue. I tried, in vain, to point
this out to her, but she just shook her head, cut the conversation short,
and was on her way…
As it turned out, the supervisors voted for a meaningless, toothless
resolution, stripped of provocative rhetoric, much to the dismay of the far-
lefties who argued for a stronger statement. The initiative for this effort
was made by supervisor Chris Daly, an obnoxious left-liberal with delusions
of grandeur, whose pose of self-righteousness is both grating and
characteristic of his sort.
Prior to the vote on the Daly resolution, which was vociferously supported
by the supposedly pacifistic supporters of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese
consulate was… firebombed. This is what the War Party would like to do to
China.
Fortunately, there are a number of restraining factors that get in the way:
in the meantime, however, our preening politicians demagogue the China issue
, and none so brazenly as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, my
congressional representative, who is merely Chris Daly writ large. Traveling
all the way to India, at taxpayers' expense, Madam Speaker visited with the
Dalai Lama at Dharamsala and announced that if Americans don't speak out
against Beijing's repression in Tibet "we have lost all moral authority to
speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world."
Pelosi is a longtime opponent of Beijing – not just the Chinese government,
but China itself. Pelosi and the unions she depends on for political
support despise all things Chinese for the simple reason that China, today,
is more capitalist than the U.S. – in spite of the Chinese Communist Party'
s ostensible commitment to Marxist ideology. Thinly veiled racist-chauvinist
bilge is routinely directed at the Chinese people by union bosses and right
-wing paleo-protectionists, who stupidly claim that the "chinks" (or, as
John McCain would put it, the "gooks") are stealing "American jobs" – as if
Americans have a hereditary right to the very best salaries on earth, a "
right" that doesn't have to be earned by competitive business practices but
is conferred on them by virtue of their nationality. Like hell it is.
Lucrative trade and cultural exchanges between China and California, as well
as the fact that many Chinese in her congressional district have continuing
ties to the mainland, have – so far – failed to deter Pelosi and her
fellow Know-Nothings: politics, as they used to say during the Cultural
Revolution in China, is in command.
These Sinophobic protests, engineered behind the scenes by leftist union
bosses and God knows who else, are focused on the passing of the Olympic
torch, which is slowly but surely making its way to Beijing, where the games
are scheduled to be held Aug. 8-24. Here in the Bay Area, activists in the
"Free Darfur" movement announced they were mounting demonstrations urging
China to "extinguish the flames of genocide" in Darfur in San Francisco on
April 9, the day the flame passes through the city.
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The hosting of the Olympic Games in Beijing is the focus of much pride in
China, seen by the people as well as the ruling caste as symbolic of the
nation's arrival in modernity. As such, the worldwide protests and political
posturing of preening politicians – from Pelosi to Nicolas Sarkozy – are
bitterly resented and have been met with increasingly shrill denunciations
by the Chinese state-controlled media – a sentiment that probably
understates popular resentment of Western criticism in the Chinese "street."
I know we are supposed to believe that the vast majority of the Chinese
people are groaning under the weight of Commie oppression and sympathize (
albeit silently) with the downtrodden Tibetans, but that is hardly the case.
Indeed, the exact opposite is closer to the truth. Every time the West gets
up on its high horse and lectures the Chinese government about its lack of
"morality," the tide of anti-Western Chinese nationalism rises higher.
We saw this when the U.S. "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in
Belgrade during Clinton's Balkan War of Aggression, and again when that
American spy plane went down over Hainan island. In Beijing today, they are
worried about the upcoming Olympic celebration, which will provide a
platform for a wide variety of groups – including ultra-nationalist Chinese
students, whose street antics have augured internal regime change in the
past, and could do so again. "They are worried about a larger number of
things and they are worried about keeping the lid on," according to Arnold
Howitt, a management specialist who oversees crisis-management training
programs for Chinese government officials at Harvard University's Kennedy
School of Government. The same Associated Press article cites an unnamed "
consultant" to the Games, who avers:
"'Demonstrations of all kinds are a concern, including anti-American
demonstrations,' said the consultant, who works for Beijing's Olympic
organizers and asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to
talk to the media."
Any indications that Beijing is compromising Chinese pride and honor by
appeasing the West are likely to be met by demonstrations that are both anti
-American and anti-government – initiated, once again, by Chinese students,
who have often been the agents of political transformation. Remember the
Red Guards? Mao used them to initiate his own "Cultural Revolution," but was
forced to rein them in when they started talking about overthrowing the
Chinese state.
The memory of that dark and chaotic era haunts China's contemporary rulers,
threatening to spoil their dream of a thoroughly modernized industrial
powerhouse that is both the forge and the financial capital of the world
economy. The Beijing Olympics represent the entry of China onto the world
stage as a first-class power, right up there with its former adversaries:
the U.S., Europe, and the former Soviet Union. A Chinese nationalist cannot
be faulted for seeing the organized campaign to spoil that debut as a
deliberate – and unforgivable – insult.
Viewed from this perspective – the perspective, that is, of the average
citizen of China – the very idea of Tibetan independence might easily be
seen as a rather obvious attempt to humiliate Beijing and remind it of its "
proper" (i.e., subordinate) place in the global scheme of things.
After all, what if Chinese government leaders constantly reminded the world
that the American Southwest was stolen from Mexico? Imagine the Chinese and
Mexican ambassadors to the U.S. demanding independence, for, say, California
– or better yet, its return to Mexican sovereignty! Shall the Olympics be
forever barred from Puerto Rico, which was forcibly incorporated into the U.
S. "commonwealth" in the invasion of 1898?
Of course not. Yet the Americans and their international amen corner are
daring to criticize China for preserving its own unity and sovereignty. It's
a double standard made all the more insufferable by the self-righteous tone
of the anti-China chorus, whose meistersingers are mainly concerned with
celebrating their own moral purity.
Yes, Tibet was forcibly incorporated into the Communist empire of the Han,
but this was just an episode in the long history of Sino-Tibetan relations
– for the greater part of which the Tibetans held the upper hand. The
Tibetan empire, at its height, extended from northern India to the Mongolian
hinterlands and came at the expense of the conquered Chinese and Uighurs.
It fell apart due to a ruinous civil war. A key factor in this complex
narrative is that Mongol hegemony over China was greatly aided by the
Tibetans, whose conversion of the Mongol nobility to Buddhism legitimized
Mongol rule. Today, pro-Beijing historians point to this period as proof
that Tibet has "always" been a part of China proper, yet the truth is that
both were slaves to the Mongols – the Tibetans as their collaborators, the
Chinese as their helots. (Underscoring Mongol contempt for their Chinese
subjects was an edict forbidding intermarriage between Mongol and Chinese,
although no such barrier to Mongol-Tibetan congress was imposed.) With
Buddhism as the state religion, Tibetan priests, including the Dalai Lama,
became the avatars of Mongol rule.
In short, the popular narrative of the pacifistic Buddhist Tibetans as the
good guys and the Han Chinese as the bad-guy aggressors is the stuff of pure
myth, pushed by union propagandists, lefty Hollywood do-gooders, and trendy
sandal-wearing Western camp followers of the Dalai Lama, who has become a
secularized yet "spiritual" substitute for Mother Theresa.
If the Chinese are wrong to hold on to their province of Tibet, then Lincoln
was wrong to insist that the South stay in the Union – and we ought to
immediately either grant the American Southwest (and California)
independence, or else give it all back to the Mexicans.
The same goes for Taiwan – China's rulers are no more likely to give up
their claim to that island than Lincoln was inclined to let the Confederacy
hold on in, say, Key West, Fla.
China is an adolescent giant: clumsy, unused to exerting its will beyond its
borders, and wracked by self-doubt. Emerging into the company of world
powers, it is thin-skinned – like any adolescent – and prone to wild mood
gyrations. During the 1960s and '70s, the Chinese were in a distinctly bad
mood as they wrestled with the ghosts and demons unleashed by Mao. The
triumph of the "modernizers" over the ultra-left Maoists in the 1980s
signaled a new mood of optimism and inaugurated an era of unrivaled economic
growth. The regime sanctified China's journey down the "capitalist road" by
citing the reformer Deng Tsiao-ping's most famous "Communist" slogan: "To
get rich is glorious!" Ayn Rand meets Chairman Mao (or, rather, Confucius)
– and the result is capitalism-on-steroids.
That's why, in spite of the sclerotic Marxoid ideology that still reins in
and retards the natural entrepreneurial spirit of the Chinese people, China
is moving forward by leaps and bounds. That's also why comrade Pelosi and
her union boss buddies have launched this odious Sinophobic hate campaign –
because "their" jobs and sense of entitlement are going up in smoke. For
decades, the U.S. government has preached the virtues of free enterprise and
urged formerly Communist nations to adopt the free market – and now that
the Chinese have taken them up on their offer, Western politicians are
attacking them!
The closer China has moved toward our own system – relaxing totalitarian
controls over the economy and allowing a far greater degree of ideological
diversity than was possible during the Maoist era – the more hostile the U.
S. government has become. Nixon went to China at the height of the Cultural
Revolution, where he sat next to Madam Mao during a command performance of
The Red Detachment of Women. These days, however, as China stakes its claim
to a proportionate share of the world market – and Chinese investors fund
the U.S. debt – the resentment and growing hostility of the Americans is
all too palpable.
Why do politicians of Pelosi's ilk join hands with neoconservatives in a
concerted campaign to antagonize China, and even threaten sanctions and
possible military action when the occasion gives rise to the opportunity?
To begin with, China's is a success story, and there's nothing that attracts
opprobrium like success, unless it's success of the wrong color – in this
case, yellow. A crude racist collectivism of a specifically anti-Asian
character has long been a tradition of the War Party in this country: see
the anti-Japanese Dr. Seuss cartoons from the World War II era for a
particularly vivid example. Yes, he was attacking the "Japs," but to
Americans, it's all the same Yellow Peril. This kind of sentiment is easily
invoked in America, and don't tell me Pelosi and her ideological confreres
aren't aware of it – yes, even in "liberal" San Francisco, where anti-Asian
sentiment is part of the city's history.
Never mind the first black president, or the first female president – what
I'm waiting for is the first chief executive of Asian-American descent. I'm
not, however, holding my breath…
Relations with China are cloudy, at best, and those may very well be war
clouds gathering on the horizon. The reason is that Sinophobia is a point of
unity between the Left and the Right: the union of the Weekly Standard and
the AFL-CIO, and perhaps even the majority of my paleoconservative friends,
who quail before the rising Chinese giant and see it as a potential threat
on account of its sheer scale – a third of the world's population, and a
land-mass that rivals our own. Surely such a stirring titan will knock us
out of the way as he takes his place at the center of the world stage.
This reflects a fundamental error on the part of many conservatives, as well
as liberals of the more statist persuasion. They fail to understand that
there are no conflicts of interest among nations as long as their relations
are governed by the market, that is by mutually beneficial trade agreements
voluntarily entered into. Ludwig von Mises said it far better than I could
ever manage, and I'll leave my readers to Mises' ministrations on this
abstruse but important subject.
Suffice to say here that our relations with China on the economic front are
a benefit to American consumers – that is, to all of us. They enable us to
buy inexpensive quality products and keep the cost of living down.
Protectionists who argue that "they" are "destroying American jobs" are
simply arguing for higher prices – ordinarily not a very popular cause, and
especially not these days.
Free trade is the economic precondition for a peaceful world and the logical
corollary of a non-interventionist foreign policy. If goods don't cross
borders, then armies soon will – a historical truism noted by many before
me, and with good reason. Let it be a warning to all those anti-free trade,
antiwar types of the Right as well as the Left – you'll soon be jumping on
the War Party's bandwagon when it comes China's turn to play the role of
global bogeyman. The way things are going, that day may come soon enough.
Finally, a word or two about this nonsensical demand, raised by the "Save
Darfur" crowd, that China must somehow "extinguish the flames of genocide"
supposedly carried out by the government of Sudan. What does China have to
do with Sudan and its government? Well, you see, the Chinese have oil
interests in the region, that is, they are engaged in competition with
Western oil companies in opening up new fields – and, well, that just isn't
permissible.
The Chinese, we are told, have a moral responsibility to either pressure the
Sudanese to let up on Darfur, or else abandon their Sudanese assets. As if
Sudan were a Chinese colony, and the Sudanese authorities mere sock-puppets
of Beijing.
A more arrogant and self-serving argument would be hard to imagine.
Presumably Western interests will fill the vacuum left by this spontaneous
display of Chinese moral rectitude – and that alone should tell us
everything we need to know about what's behind the "Save Darfur" bloviators
and their high-horse moralizing.
If our professional do-gooders of the "progressive" persuasion are so
concerned about the fate of Darfur, let them campaign for the granting of
mass asylum to the survivors of this latest African catastrophe. Give them
sanctuary and green cards, but keep U.S. troops out of Africa, specifically
out of Darfur – and get off Beijing's back.
Like Russia, China is awakening from the long Leninist nightmare, albeit
less traumatically, and with greater prospects for full recovery. However,
it wouldn't take much to push it back into a revival of neo-Maoism – or
worse – and a new dark age triggered by an external threat. A resurgence of
Chinese ultra-nationalism in response to Western pressure – and the
specter of U.S.-sponsored separatism – does not augur well for the cause of
world peace. As is so often the case, we are creating the very enemies we
fear, empowering and arming them ideologically. We are, in this sense, our
own worst enemies.
~ Justin Raimondo
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标 题: Violence in Tibet is Unacceptable
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标 题: 有文化的西方人的西藏comments
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Euphonium wrote:
March 24, 2008 10:58
A side note from my experience and observation, not directly related to
Tibet:
Over the tens (if not hundreds) of years of propaganda Chinese people have
gone through, they have developed very trained eyes to immediately filter
out the propaganda part and get the truth part of every official report (I'm
not sure they have developed the same skills against western media though).
Propaganda actually doesn't work for Chinese now. Believe it or not,
neither does the government expect it to work. It becomes more a ritual, or
the "Chinese way to say things" if you will. If the Chinese government
suddenly speaks without propaganda, most Chinese people will get confused
and wonder what's really going on. Hilarious it may sound, but that is the
status quo. Nobody knows better than Chinese that "the truth is always
somewhere in between".
Speaking of westerners, or particularly Americans, most people did not have
the "privilege" to get so much training about propaganda, and the result is
a rather naive attitude towards media reports: either it's complete truth,
or it's complete propaganda. In that sense, they don't have any immune
system against skilled propaganda, a good portion of which is from the
western media (which to Chinese eyes aren't skilled at all). I found it
amusing how the two American young people in the TV documentary got so
completely converted to pro-China in a 10-day trip to Tibet. You can't
convert a Chinese that easily, no matter which direction it goes. On a side
note, what was shown in the documentary is basically consistent with what I
saw in Tibet when I was there, I make no further generalization though.
Think to Exist wrote:
March 23, 2008 22:10
To support my previous commentary. Here are some historical facts about
Tibet, all from westerners. Read yourself.
"In the Dalai Lama's Tibet, torture and mutilation -- including eye gouging,
the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation of arms and legs -
- were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, runaway serfs, and other
"criminals."
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a
former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a
monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated
beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama
told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion." (19)
Some Western visitors to Old Tibet remarked on the number of amputees to be
seen. Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some
offenders were severely lashed and then "left to God" in the freezing night
to die. "The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,"
concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. (20)
Some monasteries had their own private prisons, reports Anna Louise Strong.
In 1959, she visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used
by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small
ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, and
breaking off hands.
Theocratic despotism had been the rule for generations. An English visitor
to Tibet in 1895, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the Tibetan people were
under the "intolerable tyranny of monks" and the devil superstitions they
had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the
Dalai Lama's rule as "an engine of oppression" and "a barrier to all human
improvement."
At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O'Connor,
observed that "the great landowners and the priests . . . exercise each in
their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal," while
the people are "oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and
priest-craft the world has ever seen." Tibetan rulers, like those of Europe
during the Middle Ages, "forged innumerable weapons of servitude, invented
degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition" among the common
people. (23)
In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, "The Lamaist monk does not
spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them, nor do
laymen take part in or even attend the monastery services. The beggar beside
the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded
prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and
wealth." (24)
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Think to Exist wrote:
March 23, 2008 21:05
Is there anyone here have read the history of Tibet before 1950? Anyone?
I happened to read couples of books written by historians from Britain.
The history before 1950 is relevant to answer the question: what will happen
if one day, Tibet gets its independence? Will they live happily thereafter(
as most Dalia supporters assume)? The world will be better off?
There is a close modern parallel: The Afghanistan under the Taliban regime.
Is that a kind of regime you guys are looking forward to?
Before 1959, Tibet was under the Lamaist (Buddhist) theocracy. Just like
most theocracies in history, it was a very cruel and inhumane form of
governing. Most Tibentans were under the slavery by the monks. It was a
slavery, agreed by most western historians.
I don't like either side of this debate. But speak of the facts, before 1959
, human rights situation was a lot worse. Many offenses were punished by
cutting arms and legs or taking out eyes, literally. Read the history
yourself. One of the books I read was published by Cambridge University.
I haven't heard about Dalai Lama denounced the Lamaist (Buddhist) theocracy.
I hope he has the ability to deliver a modern democracy.
I don't like either side but couldn't help correcting some misconceptions.
Read history. Please.
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Why They Hate China
Well, you have to hate someone…
by Justin Raimondo
China's continuing crackdown on Tibetan pro-independence protesters is a big
, big issue here in San Francisco. Why, just the other day, I was coming out
my front door, and there was one of my neighbors – a very nice woman in
her fifties, albeit an archetypal limousine liberal, typical of the breed.
So typical that she might almost be mistaken for a living, breathing,
walking, talking cliché. She hates George W. Bush and the neocons because
she's against the (Iraq) war, but she's eager to "liberate" Darfur – and,
lately, Tibet. That morning, as she earnestly informed me, she was on her
way to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors (our town council) to exhort
them to vote for a resolution condemning the Chinese government's actions
and calling for "freedom" for Tibet. What she doesn't realize, and doesn't
want to know, is that she and the neocons – the very ones who brought us
the Iraq war – are united on the Tibet issue. I tried, in vain, to point
this out to her, but she just shook her head, cut the conversation short,
and was on her way…
As it turned out, the supervisors voted for a meaningless, toothless
resolution, stripped of provocative rhetoric, much to the dismay of the far-
lefties who argued for a stronger statement. The initiative for this effort
was made by supervisor Chris Daly, an obnoxious left-liberal with delusions
of grandeur, whose pose of self-righteousness is both grating and
characteristic of his sort.
Prior to the vote on the Daly resolution, which was vociferously supported
by the supposedly pacifistic supporters of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese
consulate was… firebombed. This is what the War Party would like to do to
China.
Fortunately, there are a number of restraining factors that get in the way:
in the meantime, however, our preening politicians demagogue the China issue
, and none so brazenly as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, my
congressional representative, who is merely Chris Daly writ large. Traveling
all the way to India, at taxpayers' expense, Madam Speaker visited with the
Dalai Lama at Dharamsala and announced that if Americans don't speak out
against Beijing's repression in Tibet "we have lost all moral authority to
speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world."
Pelosi is a longtime opponent of Beijing – not just the Chinese government,
but China itself. Pelosi and the unions she depends on for political
support despise all things Chinese for the simple reason that China, today,
is more capitalist than the U.S. – in spite of the Chinese Communist Party'
s ostensible commitment to Marxist ideology. Thinly veiled racist-chauvinist
bilge is routinely directed at the Chinese people by union bosses and right
-wing paleo-protectionists, who stupidly claim that the "chinks" (or, as
John McCain would put it, the "gooks") are stealing "American jobs" – as if
Americans have a hereditary right to the very best salaries on earth, a "
right" that doesn't have to be earned by competitive business practices but
is conferred on them by virtue of their nationality. Like hell it is.
Lucrative trade and cultural exchanges between China and California, as well
as the fact that many Chinese in her congressional district have continuing
ties to the mainland, have – so far – failed to deter Pelosi and her
fellow Know-Nothings: politics, as they used to say during the Cultural
Revolution in China, is in command.
These Sinophobic protests, engineered behind the scenes by leftist union
bosses and God knows who else, are focused on the passing of the Olympic
torch, which is slowly but surely making its way to Beijing, where the games
are scheduled to be held Aug. 8-24. Here in the Bay Area, activists in the
"Free Darfur" movement announced they were mounting demonstrations urging
China to "extinguish the flames of genocide" in Darfur in San Francisco on
April 9, the day the flame passes through the city.
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The hosting of the Olympic Games in Beijing is the focus of much pride in
China, seen by the people as well as the ruling caste as symbolic of the
nation's arrival in modernity. As such, the worldwide protests and political
posturing of preening politicians – from Pelosi to Nicolas Sarkozy – are
bitterly resented and have been met with increasingly shrill denunciations
by the Chinese state-controlled media – a sentiment that probably
understates popular resentment of Western criticism in the Chinese "street."
I know we are supposed to believe that the vast majority of the Chinese
people are groaning under the weight of Commie oppression and sympathize (
albeit silently) with the downtrodden Tibetans, but that is hardly the case.
Indeed, the exact opposite is closer to the truth. Every time the West gets
up on its high horse and lectures the Chinese government about its lack of
"morality," the tide of anti-Western Chinese nationalism rises higher.
We saw this when the U.S. "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in
Belgrade during Clinton's Balkan War of Aggression, and again when that
American spy plane went down over Hainan island. In Beijing today, they are
worried about the upcoming Olympic celebration, which will provide a
platform for a wide variety of groups – including ultra-nationalist Chinese
students, whose street antics have augured internal regime change in the
past, and could do so again. "They are worried about a larger number of
things and they are worried about keeping the lid on," according to Arnold
Howitt, a management specialist who oversees crisis-management training
programs for Chinese government officials at Harvard University's Kennedy
School of Government. The same Associated Press article cites an unnamed "
consultant" to the Games, who avers:
"'Demonstrations of all kinds are a concern, including anti-American
demonstrations,' said the consultant, who works for Beijing's Olympic
organizers and asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to
talk to the media."
Any indications that Beijing is compromising Chinese pride and honor by
appeasing the West are likely to be met by demonstrations that are both anti
-American and anti-government – initiated, once again, by Chinese students,
who have often been the agents of political transformation. Remember the
Red Guards? Mao used them to initiate his own "Cultural Revolution," but was
forced to rein them in when they started talking about overthrowing the
Chinese state.
The memory of that dark and chaotic era haunts China's contemporary rulers,
threatening to spoil their dream of a thoroughly modernized industrial
powerhouse that is both the forge and the financial capital of the world
economy. The Beijing Olympics represent the entry of China onto the world
stage as a first-class power, right up there with its former adversaries:
the U.S., Europe, and the former Soviet Union. A Chinese nationalist cannot
be faulted for seeing the organized campaign to spoil that debut as a
deliberate – and unforgivable – insult.
Viewed from this perspective – the perspective, that is, of the average
citizen of China – the very idea of Tibetan independence might easily be
seen as a rather obvious attempt to humiliate Beijing and remind it of its "
proper" (i.e., subordinate) place in the global scheme of things.
After all, what if Chinese government leaders constantly reminded the world
that the American Southwest was stolen from Mexico? Imagine the Chinese and
Mexican ambassadors to the U.S. demanding independence, for, say, California
– or better yet, its return to Mexican sovereignty! Shall the Olympics be
forever barred from Puerto Rico, which was forcibly incorporated into the U.
S. "commonwealth" in the invasion of 1898?
Of course not. Yet the Americans and their international amen corner are
daring to criticize China for preserving its own unity and sovereignty. It's
a double standard made all the more insufferable by the self-righteous tone
of the anti-China chorus, whose meistersingers are mainly concerned with
celebrating their own moral purity.
Yes, Tibet was forcibly incorporated into the Communist empire of the Han,
but this was just an episode in the long history of Sino-Tibetan relations
– for the greater part of which the Tibetans held the upper hand. The
Tibetan empire, at its height, extended from northern India to the Mongolian
hinterlands and came at the expense of the conquered Chinese and Uighurs.
It fell apart due to a ruinous civil war. A key factor in this complex
narrative is that Mongol hegemony over China was greatly aided by the
Tibetans, whose conversion of the Mongol nobility to Buddhism legitimized
Mongol rule. Today, pro-Beijing historians point to this period as proof
that Tibet has "always" been a part of China proper, yet the truth is that
both were slaves to the Mongols – the Tibetans as their collaborators, the
Chinese as their helots. (Underscoring Mongol contempt for their Chinese
subjects was an edict forbidding intermarriage between Mongol and Chinese,
although no such barrier to Mongol-Tibetan congress was imposed.) With
Buddhism as the state religion, Tibetan priests, including the Dalai Lama,
became the avatars of Mongol rule.
In short, the popular narrative of the pacifistic Buddhist Tibetans as the
good guys and the Han Chinese as the bad-guy aggressors is the stuff of pure
myth, pushed by union propagandists, lefty Hollywood do-gooders, and trendy
sandal-wearing Western camp followers of the Dalai Lama, who has become a
secularized yet "spiritual" substitute for Mother Theresa.
If the Chinese are wrong to hold on to their province of Tibet, then Lincoln
was wrong to insist that the South stay in the Union – and we ought to
immediately either grant the American Southwest (and California)
independence, or else give it all back to the Mexicans.
The same goes for Taiwan – China's rulers are no more likely to give up
their claim to that island than Lincoln was inclined to let the Confederacy
hold on in, say, Key West, Fla.
China is an adolescent giant: clumsy, unused to exerting its will beyond its
borders, and wracked by self-doubt. Emerging into the company of world
powers, it is thin-skinned – like any adolescent – and prone to wild mood
gyrations. During the 1960s and '70s, the Chinese were in a distinctly bad
mood as they wrestled with the ghosts and demons unleashed by Mao. The
triumph of the "modernizers" over the ultra-left Maoists in the 1980s
signaled a new mood of optimism and inaugurated an era of unrivaled economic
growth. The regime sanctified China's journey down the "capitalist road" by
citing the reformer Deng Tsiao-ping's most famous "Communist" slogan: "To
get rich is glorious!" Ayn Rand meets Chairman Mao (or, rather, Confucius)
– and the result is capitalism-on-steroids.
That's why, in spite of the sclerotic Marxoid ideology that still reins in
and retards the natural entrepreneurial spirit of the Chinese people, China
is moving forward by leaps and bounds. That's also why comrade Pelosi and
her union boss buddies have launched this odious Sinophobic hate campaign –
because "their" jobs and sense of entitlement are going up in smoke. For
decades, the U.S. government has preached the virtues of free enterprise and
urged formerly Communist nations to adopt the free market – and now that
the Chinese have taken them up on their offer, Western politicians are
attacking them!
The closer China has moved toward our own system – relaxing totalitarian
controls over the economy and allowing a far greater degree of ideological
diversity than was possible during the Maoist era – the more hostile the U.
S. government has become. Nixon went to China at the height of the Cultural
Revolution, where he sat next to Madam Mao during a command performance of
The Red Detachment of Women. These days, however, as China stakes its claim
to a proportionate share of the world market – and Chinese investors fund
the U.S. debt – the resentment and growing hostility of the Americans is
all too palpable.
Why do politicians of Pelosi's ilk join hands with neoconservatives in a
concerted campaign to antagonize China, and even threaten sanctions and
possible military action when the occasion gives rise to the opportunity?
To begin with, China's is a success story, and there's nothing that attracts
opprobrium like success, unless it's success of the wrong color – in this
case, yellow. A crude racist collectivism of a specifically anti-Asian
character has long been a tradition of the War Party in this country: see
the anti-Japanese Dr. Seuss cartoons from the World War II era for a
particularly vivid example. Yes, he was attacking the "Japs," but to
Americans, it's all the same Yellow Peril. This kind of sentiment is easily
invoked in America, and don't tell me Pelosi and her ideological confreres
aren't aware of it – yes, even in "liberal" San Francisco, where anti-Asian
sentiment is part of the city's history.
Never mind the first black president, or the first female president – what
I'm waiting for is the first chief executive of Asian-American descent. I'm
not, however, holding my breath…
Relations with China are cloudy, at best, and those may very well be war
clouds gathering on the horizon. The reason is that Sinophobia is a point of
unity between the Left and the Right: the union of the Weekly Standard and
the AFL-CIO, and perhaps even the majority of my paleoconservative friends,
who quail before the rising Chinese giant and see it as a potential threat
on account of its sheer scale – a third of the world's population, and a
land-mass that rivals our own. Surely such a stirring titan will knock us
out of the way as he takes his place at the center of the world stage.
This reflects a fundamental error on the part of many conservatives, as well
as liberals of the more statist persuasion. They fail to understand that
there are no conflicts of interest among nations as long as their relations
are governed by the market, that is by mutually beneficial trade agreements
voluntarily entered into. Ludwig von Mises said it far better than I could
ever manage, and I'll leave my readers to Mises' ministrations on this
abstruse but important subject.
Suffice to say here that our relations with China on the economic front are
a benefit to American consumers – that is, to all of us. They enable us to
buy inexpensive quality products and keep the cost of living down.
Protectionists who argue that "they" are "destroying American jobs" are
simply arguing for higher prices – ordinarily not a very popular cause, and
especially not these days.
Free trade is the economic precondition for a peaceful world and the logical
corollary of a non-interventionist foreign policy. If goods don't cross
borders, then armies soon will – a historical truism noted by many before
me, and with good reason. Let it be a warning to all those anti-free trade,
antiwar types of the Right as well as the Left – you'll soon be jumping on
the War Party's bandwagon when it comes China's turn to play the role of
global bogeyman. The way things are going, that day may come soon enough.
Finally, a word or two about this nonsensical demand, raised by the "Save
Darfur" crowd, that China must somehow "extinguish the flames of genocide"
supposedly carried out by the government of Sudan. What does China have to
do with Sudan and its government? Well, you see, the Chinese have oil
interests in the region, that is, they are engaged in competition with
Western oil companies in opening up new fields – and, well, that just isn't
permissible.
The Chinese, we are told, have a moral responsibility to either pressure the
Sudanese to let up on Darfur, or else abandon their Sudanese assets. As if
Sudan were a Chinese colony, and the Sudanese authorities mere sock-puppets
of Beijing.
A more arrogant and self-serving argument would be hard to imagine.
Presumably Western interests will fill the vacuum left by this spontaneous
display of Chinese moral rectitude – and that alone should tell us
everything we need to know about what's behind the "Save Darfur" bloviators
and their high-horse moralizing.
If our professional do-gooders of the "progressive" persuasion are so
concerned about the fate of Darfur, let them campaign for the granting of
mass asylum to the survivors of this latest African catastrophe. Give them
sanctuary and green cards, but keep U.S. troops out of Africa, specifically
out of Darfur – and get off Beijing's back.
Like Russia, China is awakening from the long Leninist nightmare, albeit
less traumatically, and with greater prospects for full recovery. However,
it wouldn't take much to push it back into a revival of neo-Maoism – or
worse – and a new dark age triggered by an external threat. A resurgence of
Chinese ultra-nationalism in response to Western pressure – and the
specter of U.S.-sponsored separatism – does not augur well for the cause of
world peace. As is so often the case, we are creating the very enemies we
fear, empowering and arming them ideologically. We are, in this sense, our
own worst enemies.
~ Justin Raimondo
2008年3月26日星期三
超级黄色段子
某男逛j院,问女价钱,女答:50元.男见便宜,干了.女说:请付100元,男问其因.女答进出各50元.男怒道:你他妈是中国移动啊,还双向收费！
京九铁路通车,沿线农民路边观看.车上一女客来yj,换纸后仍出窗外,纸迎面贴一农民脸上,农民拿下看道:乖乖,是快!飘张纸都能把鼻子砸出血来!
是夜.夫于床上看书.不时将手伸入妻腿间.妻便脱衣撒娇.夫问:干吗？妻反问:你手干吗？夫一本正经的说:湿湿手.好翻书!
一天,一和尚遇到一尼姑便出一对联:上联:白天没吊事.下联:晚上吊没事.横批:闲来无事!尼姑对上联:白天空洞洞 .下联:晚上洞空空.横批:有求（球）必应 .
安徽自古出名酒:少女腿一抬,口子酒;少男腿一抬,金种子酒;老太腿一抬,古井贡酒;老头子腿一抬,圣泉干啤酒!你腿一抬,剑男春酒!
父亲带儿子去洗澡,地很滑儿子将要滑倒时一把抓住父亲的jj才没倒下.父亲骂到,他妈的 幸亏和我来的,要和你妈来非摔死你!
一留美学生探亲回家吹牛:美国工厂技术先进,活猪送进去,推出来的是香肠！其父见其崇洋媚外很生气,曰:我跟你妈更厉害,我香肠推进去,出来的是活猪！
妇人谈夫x能力.甲:唉,我那位像收电费的,一月一次.乙:我老公像送传单的,随便一塞便了事.丙:你们还好呢,我那口子像送牛奶的,放在门口就走了.
双胞胎在母亲肚子里聊天.老大说:老爸不错经常伸头来看我们.就是不爱卫生,吐口痰就走.老二说:还是隔壁的叔叔好.他吐完痰还用袋子把痰装走.
某男久不行房,妻很难受.一日他要妻脱光倒立镜前,妻大喜照办.他将妻双腿分开,将自己下巴放于妻y部后问妻: 我留胡子好看吗?
pyt对wsj说：“我真怕你,每次你一上岗，我就一星期没生意做。”wsj生气了：“你丫别装蒜了，你他 妈稍微疏忽一点，我十个月生意就黄了” .
某女偷情丈夫突然回家,奸夫慌忙跳窗而逃,混入晨跑人群中,有好奇者问：干吗不穿衣服？答曰:裸奔！没见过？那人答：裸奔见过,但没见过戴t裸奔的!
主持人问：猫是否会爬树？老鹰抢答：会！主持人：举例说明！老鹰含泪：那年，我睡熟了，猫爬上了树…后来就有了猫头鹰…
一民工大便不通去医院作检查，医生检查后给此人开了一个药方，民工到取药处一看是一卷手纸，不解，医生说：以后不要再用水泥袋擦pp了.
局长与科长共乘电梯，局长放一屁后对科长说：你放屁了！科长说：不是我放的。不久科长被免职。局长在会上说：屁大的事都担待不起，要你何用？
一七旬老翁与一年轻小姐做爱兴奋过度脱精而亡。其家人不服将小姐告上法庭。法官请法医验尸查明原因。法医验尸后下一结论：舒服死了！
俩屎壳螂讨论福利彩票，甲说:我要中了大奖就把方圆50里的厕所都买下来，每天吃个够！乙说:你丫太俗了！我要是中了大奖就包一活人，每天吃新鲜的！
一光棍洞房花烛夜后，新娘艰难地扶着墙出来，骂到：“骗子，他说他有三十年的积蓄，我还以为是钱呢！！”
一老头乘公交去高潮村办事。途中问女服务员:高潮到了没？女服务员说:还没呢。一会儿他又问:高潮到了没？服务员说:糟老头急什么，高潮到了我会叫的！
一小姐吃饭时点了道爆炒鞭花,夹菜时不慎掉到两腿之间,小姐大惊:这玩意真厉害!煮熟了剁碎了,它竟还认识路!
一男青年在公交车上看到一美女的衣领开得很低,春光外泄,戏言道‘真是桃花盛开的地方啊’,美女听后,撩起裙子说:‘还有生你养你的地方’!
儿子每晚要和妈睡.妈说:你长大娶了媳妇也和妈睡呀?儿答:嗯.妈说:那你媳妇咋办?儿说:让她跟爸爸睡.爸听后激动地说:这孩子从小就懂事!
公鸡出差一个月,回来后听说鹌鹑没事老来,公鸡怀疑.过两天母鸡生了个鹌鹑蛋,公鸡大怒,母鸡慌忙解释:是早产啦!
村妇报案说:丢人那!俺昨晚被强 J了.pol.ice问他那人长啥样?那俺可没看清楚,不过肯定是个新手,因为他半天找不着地方,最后还是俺给他扶进去的.
少女夜半归家,遭七暴徒,危险时一大妈挺身而出,救走少女自遭Q B,电台采访,大妈言：其实当时啥也没想,只想这点好事可不能全便宜了那小骚娘们儿!
某贫困村村长介绍村情：吃饭基本靠party，穿衣基本靠纺，致富基本靠抢，媳妇基本靠想；通信基本靠吼,交通基本靠走,治安基本靠狗,性生活基本靠手!
屠夫嫖妓被抓罚4000元并开收据.一日屠夫妻发现此收据,只识4000元不识‘嫖妓二字,问屠夫：何事罚4000元？屠夫答到：罚我肉中注水!
某君酒醉,误入女厕呕吐.恰逢一女正在小解,某君听到怒曰：‘说了不喝,怎么还倒酒？’女闻声急停,不料却憋出个屁来,君闻声大怒：‘谁他妈又开一瓶!’
歹徒闯入民宅强 J妇女遭到誓死反抗,丈夫下地回来见老婆被歹徒压住,抡起铁铲怒拍,就听老婆骂道:“该死的,反抗了半天,被你一铲子给拍进去了.
单位领导总结发言：我们工作搞不好的原因是：一是像寡妇睡觉，上面没人；二是像妓 女，上面老换人；三是像和老婆睡觉，自己人老搞自己人
1949年9月28日我被捕了,第一天敌人毒打我我没招;第二天敌人用辣椒水泼我,我没招;第三天敌人用美人计我招了;第四天我还想招,他妈的解放了.
一名汽车司机经常被交警罚,非常恨交警.他妻子劝他说:以后咱生个孩子起名叫交警.你生气的时候你就打他.如果还不解恨你就操交警他妈!
有一日本女人在桑拿洗澡,想找中国猛男为其搓澡,猛男搓着搓着突然起性,将其阳物插入其羞处,日本女人大怒:你的什么的干活?猛男曰:里面的搓搓!
晚上,傻子逛公园见情侣做爱,爱看.次晨,见一男做俯卧撑,便细看,男人大怒:傻B你看什么!傻子说：你才傻B那,底下人都走了还干！
一男子下班发现儿子把避孕套带在头上,忙训斥儿子,儿子委屈的说:“我们明天演节目,有的演好人,有的演坏人,我问老师我演什么?“老师说“你演个吊“!
两个历史系老师结婚,且都是二婚;入洞房后,女出上联求下联:夜袭珍珠港,美人受惊(精);男巧对:两颗原子弹,日德(得)投降;横批:二次大战!
一跳蚤向伙伴哭诉自己的不幸:我以前住在一男的胡须上,后来经历周折才到达一女阴毛上,结果第二天早上醒来,发现又回到了以前那男的胡须上了!
人生啊、总是要有些哲理的……生活就象被Q B：要么反抗要么就去享受；工作就像嫖妓:你不行就让别人上；社会就像自慰:所有的都要靠自己的双手解决!
倪萍到蒙城作客,菜上一牛鞭,味道特好,问曰何物？冯巩说,牛群身上有!牛群说,冯巩身上也有!倪萍问：我身上有吗？两人齐答：你身上有时有,有时没有.
傻子娶妻半年无子,公爹问儿办事没有,儿不懂,父说用你身体最硬的地方撞你媳妇撒尿的地方.次日儿媳夫对公说:你儿子疯了,他用脑袋撞了一晚上尿盆子!
一尼姑觉身体不适，去医院检查。护士误将孕妇化验单给之。尼姑阅单毕，仰天长叹：“这年头连胡萝卜都信不过了。”
美女尿急，路边小解，无纸，以树叶擦之。叶有刺，阴部甚疼。美女不悦曰：“整日吃肉，吃回青菜就受不了啦？？”
村长夜半醉酒回家，误躺猪圈，让老婆为其倒水，母猪哼哼数声，村长曰：“不倒就算了，还撒什么娇呢！”伸手摸到猪奶，笑骂道：“靠，又买劣质皮衣了，还双排扣呢！”
老汉乘火车，夜里休息时误将脚伸入对面一小姐档内。几日后，觉脚痒不适，医生论断为梅毒，老汉连称稀罕。医生曰：“你这算什么？？昨天还来了一个B里长脚气的呢！！”
一女胸小难嫁，相亲时男问有馒头大吗？？女说有！！男遂同意婚事。新婚之夜，男奔出洞房仰天高呼：“天啊，旺仔小馒头！”
话说一对男女偷情,男的进入之后趴在女的身上不动,温柔的说:咱们现在联通了,女的有些不悦, 男猛烈进攻,女的高声大喊:移动就是比联通好
八大不懂事：领导敬酒你不喝，领导小姐你先摸，领导走路你坐车，领导讲话你罗嗦，领导私事你瞎说，领导洗澡你先脱，领导夹菜你转桌，领导听牌你自摸。
局长醉酒回家，半夜听到老婆小解，嗔道：“不喝了，怎么还倒？” 又伸手摸到老婆的脚，喜曰：“对，划两拳才来劲。*，还老五魁啊！！”
一少女与瞎母同居。一日女与情人在里屋偷偷ml，呻吟之声惊动其母，问其故，答中暑。母入内探视，情人忙从女身上站起，倚壁而立不敢动。母欲触女额，却误握情人jb，大惊曰：“天气果然热，墙上橛子都出汗了。”
一农民与j女交易。女曰床上五十，椅上二十，草地十块。农民抛出五十，妓 女笑曰先生好有情调。农民曰：“情调个屁，草地五次。”
夫妻与幼儿同住，夜半做爱，突然发现儿子不见，忙寻之，原来抱膝蹲在门后。夫曰：“快回来，门后风大。”儿愤曰：“少骗人，被窝里风更大。”
一人酒后如厕，回来后对同伴说：“这酒店生意就是好，连厕所里都摆了两桌！”于是继续喝酒。随即，一群人冲进房间按住该人就打。同伴忙问其故，答曰：“这小子到我们包间随便撒尿！”
男脱下衣服给女友看二头肌说:这相当于五十公斤de-tona-tor,又脱下裤子指着大腿说:这相当于一百公斤de-tona-tor.接着脱下内裤,女友夺门狂奔,惊叫道:天呐!引线这麽短!
汽车上，某男撞在某女身上，女大怒说：你三条腿还站不稳！男摆摆手说：算啦算啦我不和你吵，反正你横竖都是嘴。
丈夫回家看到妻子与医生正躺在床上。医生：别误会，我在给她量体温。丈夫：若你插入我老婆身体的那东西没有刻度的话，你就死定了。
深夜一人穿越坟场时听到敲击声，越听越怕，终于他见到一人在刻墓碑。松了口气向对方说：差点吓死我！你在干嘛？答：他们把我的名字刻错了，我改改！
一女兵女扮男装，一天在阵地上忽然大姨妈来了，底下红了一片，连长问道：“你哪受伤了？”女兵忙说：“没，没事。”连长忙扒下她裤子，一惊：“jb炸飞了还说没事？”
蚂蚁和大象结婚了，可是没几天大象就死了，蚂蚁非常伤心，一边哭一边骂到：亲爱的，你怎么走在我前面了呢，这辈子我他妈不用干别的了，就埋你
唐僧西行遇一女妖，观其乳丰臀肥，故欲行fs，女妖见状惊呼：长老！小女yj在身恐有行房不便！唐僧听罢双手合一道：阿弥陀佛，贫僧正为取经而来！
骆驼和大象在路上遇到了，大象奇怪的说：咦，你的咪咪怎么长在背上。好奇怪噢。骆驼听了不高兴了，说：死样儿，滚远点，我不和jj长在脸上的东西说话.
主任和司机一起去观看演出，到了门口，保安让主任进去了，把司机拦住了，司机义愤填膺的说：我和他是一个系统的，让我进去。保安也得理不饶人：jj和蛋蛋也是同一个系统的，jj进去了，蛋蛋就进不去。司机：。。。。。
京九铁路通车,沿线农民路边观看.车上一女客来yj,换纸后仍出窗外,纸迎面贴一农民脸上,农民拿下看道:乖乖,是快!飘张纸都能把鼻子砸出血来!
是夜.夫于床上看书.不时将手伸入妻腿间.妻便脱衣撒娇.夫问:干吗？妻反问:你手干吗？夫一本正经的说:湿湿手.好翻书!
一天,一和尚遇到一尼姑便出一对联:上联:白天没吊事.下联:晚上吊没事.横批:闲来无事!尼姑对上联:白天空洞洞 .下联:晚上洞空空.横批:有求（球）必应 .
安徽自古出名酒:少女腿一抬,口子酒;少男腿一抬,金种子酒;老太腿一抬,古井贡酒;老头子腿一抬,圣泉干啤酒!你腿一抬,剑男春酒!
父亲带儿子去洗澡,地很滑儿子将要滑倒时一把抓住父亲的jj才没倒下.父亲骂到,他妈的 幸亏和我来的,要和你妈来非摔死你!
一留美学生探亲回家吹牛:美国工厂技术先进,活猪送进去,推出来的是香肠！其父见其崇洋媚外很生气,曰:我跟你妈更厉害,我香肠推进去,出来的是活猪！
妇人谈夫x能力.甲:唉,我那位像收电费的,一月一次.乙:我老公像送传单的,随便一塞便了事.丙:你们还好呢,我那口子像送牛奶的,放在门口就走了.
双胞胎在母亲肚子里聊天.老大说:老爸不错经常伸头来看我们.就是不爱卫生,吐口痰就走.老二说:还是隔壁的叔叔好.他吐完痰还用袋子把痰装走.
某男久不行房,妻很难受.一日他要妻脱光倒立镜前,妻大喜照办.他将妻双腿分开,将自己下巴放于妻y部后问妻: 我留胡子好看吗?
pyt对wsj说：“我真怕你,每次你一上岗，我就一星期没生意做。”wsj生气了：“你丫别装蒜了，你他 妈稍微疏忽一点，我十个月生意就黄了” .
某女偷情丈夫突然回家,奸夫慌忙跳窗而逃,混入晨跑人群中,有好奇者问：干吗不穿衣服？答曰:裸奔！没见过？那人答：裸奔见过,但没见过戴t裸奔的!
主持人问：猫是否会爬树？老鹰抢答：会！主持人：举例说明！老鹰含泪：那年，我睡熟了，猫爬上了树…后来就有了猫头鹰…
一民工大便不通去医院作检查，医生检查后给此人开了一个药方，民工到取药处一看是一卷手纸，不解，医生说：以后不要再用水泥袋擦pp了.
局长与科长共乘电梯，局长放一屁后对科长说：你放屁了！科长说：不是我放的。不久科长被免职。局长在会上说：屁大的事都担待不起，要你何用？
一七旬老翁与一年轻小姐做爱兴奋过度脱精而亡。其家人不服将小姐告上法庭。法官请法医验尸查明原因。法医验尸后下一结论：舒服死了！
俩屎壳螂讨论福利彩票，甲说:我要中了大奖就把方圆50里的厕所都买下来，每天吃个够！乙说:你丫太俗了！我要是中了大奖就包一活人，每天吃新鲜的！
一光棍洞房花烛夜后，新娘艰难地扶着墙出来，骂到：“骗子，他说他有三十年的积蓄，我还以为是钱呢！！”
一老头乘公交去高潮村办事。途中问女服务员:高潮到了没？女服务员说:还没呢。一会儿他又问:高潮到了没？服务员说:糟老头急什么，高潮到了我会叫的！
一小姐吃饭时点了道爆炒鞭花,夹菜时不慎掉到两腿之间,小姐大惊:这玩意真厉害!煮熟了剁碎了,它竟还认识路!
一男青年在公交车上看到一美女的衣领开得很低,春光外泄,戏言道‘真是桃花盛开的地方啊’,美女听后,撩起裙子说:‘还有生你养你的地方’!
儿子每晚要和妈睡.妈说:你长大娶了媳妇也和妈睡呀?儿答:嗯.妈说:那你媳妇咋办?儿说:让她跟爸爸睡.爸听后激动地说:这孩子从小就懂事!
公鸡出差一个月,回来后听说鹌鹑没事老来,公鸡怀疑.过两天母鸡生了个鹌鹑蛋,公鸡大怒,母鸡慌忙解释:是早产啦!
村妇报案说:丢人那!俺昨晚被强 J了.pol.ice问他那人长啥样?那俺可没看清楚,不过肯定是个新手,因为他半天找不着地方,最后还是俺给他扶进去的.
少女夜半归家,遭七暴徒,危险时一大妈挺身而出,救走少女自遭Q B,电台采访,大妈言：其实当时啥也没想,只想这点好事可不能全便宜了那小骚娘们儿!
某贫困村村长介绍村情：吃饭基本靠party，穿衣基本靠纺，致富基本靠抢，媳妇基本靠想；通信基本靠吼,交通基本靠走,治安基本靠狗,性生活基本靠手!
屠夫嫖妓被抓罚4000元并开收据.一日屠夫妻发现此收据,只识4000元不识‘嫖妓二字,问屠夫：何事罚4000元？屠夫答到：罚我肉中注水!
某君酒醉,误入女厕呕吐.恰逢一女正在小解,某君听到怒曰：‘说了不喝,怎么还倒酒？’女闻声急停,不料却憋出个屁来,君闻声大怒：‘谁他妈又开一瓶!’
歹徒闯入民宅强 J妇女遭到誓死反抗,丈夫下地回来见老婆被歹徒压住,抡起铁铲怒拍,就听老婆骂道:“该死的,反抗了半天,被你一铲子给拍进去了.
单位领导总结发言：我们工作搞不好的原因是：一是像寡妇睡觉，上面没人；二是像妓 女，上面老换人；三是像和老婆睡觉，自己人老搞自己人
1949年9月28日我被捕了,第一天敌人毒打我我没招;第二天敌人用辣椒水泼我,我没招;第三天敌人用美人计我招了;第四天我还想招,他妈的解放了.
一名汽车司机经常被交警罚,非常恨交警.他妻子劝他说:以后咱生个孩子起名叫交警.你生气的时候你就打他.如果还不解恨你就操交警他妈!
有一日本女人在桑拿洗澡,想找中国猛男为其搓澡,猛男搓着搓着突然起性,将其阳物插入其羞处,日本女人大怒:你的什么的干活?猛男曰:里面的搓搓!
晚上,傻子逛公园见情侣做爱,爱看.次晨,见一男做俯卧撑,便细看,男人大怒:傻B你看什么!傻子说：你才傻B那,底下人都走了还干！
一男子下班发现儿子把避孕套带在头上,忙训斥儿子,儿子委屈的说:“我们明天演节目,有的演好人,有的演坏人,我问老师我演什么?“老师说“你演个吊“!
两个历史系老师结婚,且都是二婚;入洞房后,女出上联求下联:夜袭珍珠港,美人受惊(精);男巧对:两颗原子弹,日德(得)投降;横批:二次大战!
一跳蚤向伙伴哭诉自己的不幸:我以前住在一男的胡须上,后来经历周折才到达一女阴毛上,结果第二天早上醒来,发现又回到了以前那男的胡须上了!
人生啊、总是要有些哲理的……生活就象被Q B：要么反抗要么就去享受；工作就像嫖妓:你不行就让别人上；社会就像自慰:所有的都要靠自己的双手解决!
倪萍到蒙城作客,菜上一牛鞭,味道特好,问曰何物？冯巩说,牛群身上有!牛群说,冯巩身上也有!倪萍问：我身上有吗？两人齐答：你身上有时有,有时没有.
傻子娶妻半年无子,公爹问儿办事没有,儿不懂,父说用你身体最硬的地方撞你媳妇撒尿的地方.次日儿媳夫对公说:你儿子疯了,他用脑袋撞了一晚上尿盆子!
一尼姑觉身体不适，去医院检查。护士误将孕妇化验单给之。尼姑阅单毕，仰天长叹：“这年头连胡萝卜都信不过了。”
美女尿急，路边小解，无纸，以树叶擦之。叶有刺，阴部甚疼。美女不悦曰：“整日吃肉，吃回青菜就受不了啦？？”
村长夜半醉酒回家，误躺猪圈，让老婆为其倒水，母猪哼哼数声，村长曰：“不倒就算了，还撒什么娇呢！”伸手摸到猪奶，笑骂道：“靠，又买劣质皮衣了，还双排扣呢！”
老汉乘火车，夜里休息时误将脚伸入对面一小姐档内。几日后，觉脚痒不适，医生论断为梅毒，老汉连称稀罕。医生曰：“你这算什么？？昨天还来了一个B里长脚气的呢！！”
一女胸小难嫁，相亲时男问有馒头大吗？？女说有！！男遂同意婚事。新婚之夜，男奔出洞房仰天高呼：“天啊，旺仔小馒头！”
话说一对男女偷情,男的进入之后趴在女的身上不动,温柔的说:咱们现在联通了,女的有些不悦, 男猛烈进攻,女的高声大喊:移动就是比联通好
八大不懂事：领导敬酒你不喝，领导小姐你先摸，领导走路你坐车，领导讲话你罗嗦，领导私事你瞎说，领导洗澡你先脱，领导夹菜你转桌，领导听牌你自摸。
局长醉酒回家，半夜听到老婆小解，嗔道：“不喝了，怎么还倒？” 又伸手摸到老婆的脚，喜曰：“对，划两拳才来劲。*，还老五魁啊！！”
一少女与瞎母同居。一日女与情人在里屋偷偷ml，呻吟之声惊动其母，问其故，答中暑。母入内探视，情人忙从女身上站起，倚壁而立不敢动。母欲触女额，却误握情人jb，大惊曰：“天气果然热，墙上橛子都出汗了。”
一农民与j女交易。女曰床上五十，椅上二十，草地十块。农民抛出五十，妓 女笑曰先生好有情调。农民曰：“情调个屁，草地五次。”
夫妻与幼儿同住，夜半做爱，突然发现儿子不见，忙寻之，原来抱膝蹲在门后。夫曰：“快回来，门后风大。”儿愤曰：“少骗人，被窝里风更大。”
一人酒后如厕，回来后对同伴说：“这酒店生意就是好，连厕所里都摆了两桌！”于是继续喝酒。随即，一群人冲进房间按住该人就打。同伴忙问其故，答曰：“这小子到我们包间随便撒尿！”
男脱下衣服给女友看二头肌说:这相当于五十公斤de-tona-tor,又脱下裤子指着大腿说:这相当于一百公斤de-tona-tor.接着脱下内裤,女友夺门狂奔,惊叫道:天呐!引线这麽短!
汽车上，某男撞在某女身上，女大怒说：你三条腿还站不稳！男摆摆手说：算啦算啦我不和你吵，反正你横竖都是嘴。
丈夫回家看到妻子与医生正躺在床上。医生：别误会，我在给她量体温。丈夫：若你插入我老婆身体的那东西没有刻度的话，你就死定了。
深夜一人穿越坟场时听到敲击声，越听越怕，终于他见到一人在刻墓碑。松了口气向对方说：差点吓死我！你在干嘛？答：他们把我的名字刻错了，我改改！
一女兵女扮男装，一天在阵地上忽然大姨妈来了，底下红了一片，连长问道：“你哪受伤了？”女兵忙说：“没，没事。”连长忙扒下她裤子，一惊：“jb炸飞了还说没事？”
蚂蚁和大象结婚了，可是没几天大象就死了，蚂蚁非常伤心，一边哭一边骂到：亲爱的，你怎么走在我前面了呢，这辈子我他妈不用干别的了，就埋你
唐僧西行遇一女妖，观其乳丰臀肥，故欲行fs，女妖见状惊呼：长老！小女yj在身恐有行房不便！唐僧听罢双手合一道：阿弥陀佛，贫僧正为取经而来！
骆驼和大象在路上遇到了，大象奇怪的说：咦，你的咪咪怎么长在背上。好奇怪噢。骆驼听了不高兴了，说：死样儿，滚远点，我不和jj长在脸上的东西说话.
主任和司机一起去观看演出，到了门口，保安让主任进去了，把司机拦住了，司机义愤填膺的说：我和他是一个系统的，让我进去。保安也得理不饶人：jj和蛋蛋也是同一个系统的，jj进去了，蛋蛋就进不去。司机：。。。。。
2008年3月23日星期日
通过工行上海wachovia汇款成功,费用3元
发信人: gunnrose (gunnrose), 信区: Money
标 题: 通过工行上海wachovia汇款成功,费用3元
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 21 22:39:28 2008)
最近通过工行上海分行在Wachovia NY账户往国内汇款，属domestic wire transfer,3
天到帐；只是到帐的是美金，再等了一天才把美金换成RMB.
Wachovia扣了3美刀，工行没有任何费用，呵呵~~
我是完全按照blister以前发的帖子，把账号信息（如下面）打印好去银行的。银行人
一看就知道是domestic wire。
Wachovia Bank Domestic Wire Transfer Info
Wachovia Bank New York International Branch
11 Penn Plaza 4th Floor, New York, NY 10001
ABA#: 026005092
Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC
Beneficiary’s Name:
Industrial and Commercial Bank OF China，Shanghai Municipal Branch
(ICBC Shanghai)
CENTURY FINANCE BUILDING
SHANGHAI, CHINA
SWIFT/BIC: ICBKCNBJSHI
A/C#: 2000191195385
Further Credit to: A/C holder's name
A/C#: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 86 xxxx xxxx xxxx
------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for sharing!
为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的呢？
Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
-----------------------------------------------------------
【 在 zhipei (pp) 的大作中提到: 】
: Thanks for sharing!
: 为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的
呢？
: Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
PNBPUS3NNYC是wachovia NY的swift代码，无论是工行还是招行都只是在wachovia NY有
帐户，domestic wire是往wachovia NY汇钱，当然swift代码都要用wachovia NY的
: ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
Yes.
: 还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
: teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
: 很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
: 3
你先自己填好，记得在teller开始操作之前一定要和他们核对你交给他们的信息，以防
他们输入的时候出错
-----------------------------------------------------------------
【 在 zhipei (pp) 的大作中提到: 】
: Thanks for sharing!
: 为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的
呢？
: Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
: ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
: 还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
: teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
: 很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
: 3
PNBPUS3NNYC 是wachovia的swift code,国内银行（省级和部分城市）的swift code可
以在swift.com查到，用省级swift code就足够。
我不用填wire transfer form, 都是银行工作人员直接在电脑里填的，然后打印出来核
对，签名就行。
国内银行地址会在"other payments" 栏里用"further credit"注明,这个银行staff会填好。
-------------------------------------------------------------
是汇到全国各个地方的工商行都可以用这个工商行上海分行在wachovia的帐户吗，还是
说用这个上海分行的帐户就必须到上海取钱
-----------------------------------------
当然是汇到全国各个地方的工商行都可以用这个工商行上海分行，
上海分行会把钱直接转到你要的工商行账户里。
---------------------------------
楼上这个消息确认么?
我怎么感觉上海的信息用于上海的账户,要其他地方还不如用工总行的中间行信息呢.虽
然这样会慢一天.
---------------------------------
确定，我汇的就不是上海的，如果是在上海，我会用招行。
如果有疑问，可以打电话去上海分行，021-58885888,按0转人工，告诉服务员转国际业
务部汇款科。里头有位工作人员姓梅的，我跟他通了几次电话，人还可以。
标 题: 通过工行上海wachovia汇款成功,费用3元
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 21 22:39:28 2008)
最近通过工行上海分行在Wachovia NY账户往国内汇款，属domestic wire transfer,3
天到帐；只是到帐的是美金，再等了一天才把美金换成RMB.
Wachovia扣了3美刀，工行没有任何费用，呵呵~~
我是完全按照blister以前发的帖子，把账号信息（如下面）打印好去银行的。银行人
一看就知道是domestic wire。
Wachovia Bank Domestic Wire Transfer Info
Wachovia Bank New York International Branch
11 Penn Plaza 4th Floor, New York, NY 10001
ABA#: 026005092
Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC
Beneficiary’s Name:
Industrial and Commercial Bank OF China，Shanghai Municipal Branch
(ICBC Shanghai)
CENTURY FINANCE BUILDING
SHANGHAI, CHINA
SWIFT/BIC: ICBKCNBJSHI
A/C#: 2000191195385
Further Credit to: A/C holder's name
A/C#: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 86 xxxx xxxx xxxx
------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for sharing!
为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的呢？
Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
-----------------------------------------------------------
【 在 zhipei (pp) 的大作中提到: 】
: Thanks for sharing!
: 为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的
呢？
: Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
PNBPUS3NNYC是wachovia NY的swift代码，无论是工行还是招行都只是在wachovia NY有
帐户，domestic wire是往wachovia NY汇钱，当然swift代码都要用wachovia NY的
: ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
Yes.
: 还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
: teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
: 很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
: 3
你先自己填好，记得在teller开始操作之前一定要和他们核对你交给他们的信息，以防
他们输入的时候出错
-----------------------------------------------------------------
【 在 zhipei (pp) 的大作中提到: 】
: Thanks for sharing!
: 为什么你用的工行的账号，swift 和我查出的招行在wachovia NY 的swift是一样的
呢？
: Swift/BIC: PNBPUS3NNYC 这个不是wachovia的swift,而是招行的呀
: ABA#: 026005092 这个是不是wachovia的routing no.?
: 还有就是wire transfer form 是你自己填的，还是你把打出来得信息给teller,然后
: teller填的？上面有写国内银行地址的地方吗？
: 很多问题，非常感谢。。。。我星期一就要去寄
: 3
PNBPUS3NNYC 是wachovia的swift code,国内银行（省级和部分城市）的swift code可
以在swift.com查到，用省级swift code就足够。
我不用填wire transfer form, 都是银行工作人员直接在电脑里填的，然后打印出来核
对，签名就行。
国内银行地址会在"other payments" 栏里用"further credit"注明,这个银行staff会填好。
-------------------------------------------------------------
是汇到全国各个地方的工商行都可以用这个工商行上海分行在wachovia的帐户吗，还是
说用这个上海分行的帐户就必须到上海取钱
-----------------------------------------
当然是汇到全国各个地方的工商行都可以用这个工商行上海分行，
上海分行会把钱直接转到你要的工商行账户里。
---------------------------------
楼上这个消息确认么?
我怎么感觉上海的信息用于上海的账户,要其他地方还不如用工总行的中间行信息呢.虽
然这样会慢一天.
---------------------------------
确定，我汇的就不是上海的，如果是在上海，我会用招行。
如果有疑问，可以打电话去上海分行，021-58885888,按0转人工，告诉服务员转国际业
务部汇款科。里头有位工作人员姓梅的，我跟他通了几次电话，人还可以。
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